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00:03:43 - Coffee?
00:03:47 How have you liked
00:03:50 What I've seen, I've liked.
00:03:57 Please to explain why
00:04:00 with pro-Zionist
00:04:04 Because I think
00:04:06 is trying to broaden into
00:04:10 so you care about what
00:04:13 and in America
00:04:15 Hezbollah does not
00:04:18 - That's why.
00:04:22 and I see
00:04:24 Then I decide if I grant
00:04:27 No.
00:04:30 You've seen 60 Minutes
00:04:33 so you know our reputation
00:04:36 You also know we are
00:04:40 TV magazine news show
00:04:51 So, Mr. Wallace...
00:04:56 Tell him I'll see him
00:04:59 That's good.
00:05:04 You know, I want to ask you something.
00:05:13 Hello? Sheikh?
00:05:18 Hello? Sheikh?
00:05:27 - Norman?
00:05:30 Take your blindfold off.
00:05:37 Welcome to the world.
00:05:45 Fluctuating
00:05:48 Anywhere we shoot here, it's gonna
00:06:02 - Hello?
00:06:04 We're on.
00:07:51 Hi, honey.
00:07:54 - Hi, Daddy.
00:07:57 - Miss Loughrey gave me a star today.
00:08:00 - For reading.
00:08:11 A little early for cartoons,
00:08:15 Okay.
00:08:23 Deborah? Debbie?
00:08:34 Oh, I didn't know
00:08:37 It's early,
00:08:40 Gotta take Debbie to ballet.
00:08:44 Mommy!
00:08:54 Sweetheart, come on.
00:08:56 - She was playing
00:08:59 Slow down. Slow down. Slow down.
00:09:04 Slow down, honey. Slow down.
00:09:06 Slow down.
00:09:09 Here we go.
00:09:12 - Deep breaths.
00:09:14 Pooh's dusty, sweetheart.
00:09:19 Okay? So, what's happening to you...
00:09:21 What's happening to you now
00:09:23 told your lungs, " Don't breathe
00:09:27 And the airways in your lungs
00:09:30 and when the branches close up,
00:09:34 and we give you medicine,
00:09:36 Uh-huh? Okay?
00:09:39 Better already,
00:09:48 Okay, baby?
00:09:58 Can I go to dance tomorrow?
00:10:01 If you are, then I'll take Barbara
00:10:04 I can take her.
00:10:07 Don't you have to
00:10:10 - Is there any more rice?
00:10:17 Do you want more rice?
00:10:19 - Maybe later.
00:10:21 - I'll take some.
00:10:29 Can I go over to Jeanine’s house?
00:10:31 - I'm sorry, darling.
00:10:56 Um, what are
00:11:00 - I'm going to the store.
00:11:03 - Soy sauce.
00:11:05 That's my stuff
00:11:06 Why did you take
00:11:09 - I didn't want to leave it there.
00:11:15 I got fired
00:11:18 Where else am I
00:11:21 Why?
00:11:24 Thomas Sandefur.
00:11:31 What are we
00:11:34 What about our medical coverage?
00:11:38 What about our... car payments?
00:11:50 The severance agreement
00:11:53 and continuing
00:11:56 Sure you don't need anything?
00:11:58 No, thank you.
00:12:08 Jeffrey?
00:12:27 I am very pleased to receive you
00:12:32 - Well, thank you for having us.
00:12:36 I gotta go outside.
00:12:40 Give me a hand with this,
00:12:45 Norman!
00:12:50 - He says, uh, you must not sit so close.
00:12:55 I can't conduct an interview
00:13:00 You must move back
00:13:04 Well, you tell him that when
00:13:07 I sit anywhere
00:13:15 - There is no interview.
00:13:19 I'm talking to you! What the hell do
00:13:24 You think I'm gonna karate him
00:13:34 - Are you interpreting what I'm saying?
00:13:36 - We're there.
00:13:40 Don't interpret that. Hold it.
00:13:42 Hold it! Hold it!
00:13:44 Sheikh, do you mind?
00:13:47 If you would just turn
00:13:50 to face Mr. Wallace.
00:13:54 - Is that okay?
00:13:58 Are you ready, or do you
00:14:01 and warm up some more?
00:14:03 - No. I've got my heart started.
00:14:07 All right, Todd.
00:14:10 Give me the three-button
00:14:14 Good. Good.
00:14:17 Okay, we are rolling.
00:14:23 - Okay, Mike.
00:14:26 Thank you so much for seeing us.
00:14:31 Mr. Wallace, I am
00:14:34 A servant of God?
00:14:37 Americans believe that you...
00:14:41 that you are a leader who contributed
00:15:07 Everybody thinks Canadian Mounties ride
00:15:12 Mike, they backed locals
00:15:15 over building a golf course
00:15:17 They beat up protesters at Kanasake...
00:15:22 - Where'd you hear that?
00:15:24 Oh, someone took a poll?
00:15:28 - It's Stuart. He's in Mexico City.
00:15:31 Yeah, Stuart?
00:15:34 - What New York bank?
00:15:36 Will he go on camera and talk
00:15:39 - Hey, Jake.
00:15:42 - No classes this morning?
00:15:45 - Hey, Mom. Hello.
00:15:52 - Hello? Yeah.
00:15:59 - Dad, you got a box out here.
00:16:02 - 'Cause I gotta know where
00:16:17 I can't. I've gotta fly
00:16:19 2:00 P.M. Great.
00:16:22 - Bye-bye.
00:16:26 You understand
00:16:31 No.
00:16:34 Uh, this looks like
00:16:37 - Who's this from?
00:16:40 References to "P.M."
00:16:43 It's gotta be
00:16:45 Hmm. I have to
00:17:04 Yeah?
00:17:07 Hi. This is
00:17:09 Oh, hi, Doug.
00:17:12 I'm doing this story on fire
00:17:15 I receive a shitload of scientific
00:17:20 Anonymous. You or anybody
00:17:23 who can translate this stuff
00:17:25 Uh, yeah.
00:17:43 - Hello?
00:17:47 Someone's calling
00:17:53 - Oh. Thank you, Bob.
00:17:56 Uh, my name
00:17:58 - Did you say "Berman"?
00:18:02 - I'm a producer for 60 Minutes.
00:18:05 - Yeah.
00:18:08 - Yes.
00:18:13 How does he know he doesn't
00:18:16 He doesn't care to know.
00:18:40 This is the Wigands'.
00:18:43 If you'd like to leave a message
00:18:46 This is Lowell Bergman with 60 Minutes,
00:18:49 on fire safety
00:18:51 I have scientific documents
00:18:54 and I could use your help
00:18:57 explaining these documents
00:18:59 Now, my number is
00:19:05 I'll be there at this number
00:21:32 If you're curious
00:21:35 I'm gonna be in the lobby
00:21:39 reading The New York Times
00:22:59 Have you always lived in Louisville?
00:23:01 Mr. Bergman, what did you
00:23:05 Who's that?
00:23:10 That's room service.
00:23:14 They usually
00:23:16 Come on in.
00:23:18 Over here, please.
00:23:29 - Thank you.
00:23:33 Black. Black.
00:23:36 I really don't have that much time.
00:23:41 Is there anything you want to know
00:23:44 Like what?
00:23:49 I know what I
00:23:51 Just so I know you know,
00:23:55 it stays that way.
00:23:59 How did a radical journalist
00:24:06 I still do
00:24:08 60 Minutes reaches
00:24:12 Let me see
00:24:41 This is a, um,
00:24:44 fire-safety product study
00:24:47 Burn rates, ignition propensity,
00:24:51 I could very easily explain this
00:24:54 because it's from
00:24:56 - But that's as far as I go.
00:25:01 This issue is
00:25:03 I can talk to you
00:25:05 I can't talk to you
00:25:11 I signed a confidentiality agreement.
00:25:18 Doesn't CBS have confidentiality
00:25:20 Between journalists and management,
00:25:24 But I don't take that seriously.
00:25:28 Did work.
00:25:29 - Did work?
00:25:37 That you have to discuss
00:25:40 But for something like this, I would
00:25:48 Should I just take
00:25:51 If you want to do it.
00:26:00 I worked as a, uh,
00:26:03 head of Research and Development
00:26:06 Tobacco company.
00:26:11 I was a corporate
00:26:15 Mr. Bergman.
00:26:44 President Assad of Syria said...
00:26:46 that difficult obstacles remain,
00:26:49 "looks forward to a great long peace
00:26:53 That's a Peabody, Mike.
00:26:56 When you're dead and buried, this is
00:27:01 - Are you eating with us?
00:27:03 - Bring a tie so they let us
00:27:07 Come on.
00:27:16 - Debbie!
00:27:18 Oh, Bill. Main Justice is investigating
00:27:21 laundering narco dollars
00:27:23 - You want it for the news?
00:27:25 - I'm gonna do a follow-up.
00:27:33 - Debbie.
00:27:35 I want you to get Legal on a corporate
00:27:38 - Okay.
00:27:41 Kentucky state law about...
00:27:44 - I want you to drop everything.
00:27:46 - I don't have any change.
00:27:56 Tony.
00:28:08 Mr. Wigand? You can go up now.
00:28:32 Sorry. I'm accepting
00:28:35 from the Retinitis
00:28:38 It's gonna kill
00:28:46 So, have you had a chance
00:28:50 Jeff's a premier golfer.
00:28:54 - Seven.
00:28:57 and he has
00:29:00 He has more concentration
00:29:03 It's spooky
00:29:09 I'd rather play
00:29:13 What did you
00:29:15 I don't like
00:29:17 Jeffrey says exactly
00:29:20 Most people consider
00:29:23 Jeffrey just charges
00:29:26 Now, I know you understood the nature
00:29:31 of your severance agreement
00:29:33 - Chapter and verse.
00:29:36 You know, I came up
00:29:40 One of the reasons
00:29:42 was I never made a promise
00:29:45 I knew that if I ever
00:29:48 I'd suffer
00:29:51 Is that a threat?
00:29:54 We worked together for...
00:29:57 Now, the work we did here is
00:30:00 any more than
00:30:02 You're threatening
00:30:04 Now, don't be paranoid, Jeff.
00:30:08 About the direction of research here,
00:30:11 Research. You declare
00:30:16 Well, that's why
00:30:18 Okay.
00:30:22 I don't believe that you can
00:30:24 without
00:30:27 I was paid well
00:30:29 the health and welfare
00:30:32 the severance package
00:30:34 I have no intention of violating
00:30:38 and disclosing that
00:30:43 I appreciate
00:30:46 but upon reflection, we've decided
00:30:51 so we've drafted a supplement
00:30:55 It broadly defines and
00:30:59 what is confidential.
00:31:00 Nobody will be able
00:31:04 I didn't know that
00:31:07 We're very serious
00:31:10 We'd like you
00:31:14 And if I don't?
00:31:16 If we arrive at the conclusion
00:31:20 we would terminate right now
00:31:23 you and your family's medical
00:31:30 - Dr. Wigand.
00:31:34 If you've examined the document, you'll
00:31:37 and you'll sign it.
00:31:45 What you're saying is it isn't enough
00:31:49 Now you question
00:31:51 On top of the humiliation
00:31:56 you threaten
00:31:59 It never crossed my mind
00:32:02 I will tell you, Mr. Sandefur...
00:32:05 Fuck me?
00:32:17 I'm not sure
00:32:21 Oh, I think he did.
00:32:35 - Yeah.
00:32:38 - Who's this?
00:32:41 You screwed me.
00:32:44 - What are you talking about?
00:36:03 Stay away from me.
00:36:07 You stay away from me!
00:36:17 Jeffrey, you forgot
00:36:26 - Mrs. Wigand?
00:36:28 How do you do? I'm Lowell Bergman.
00:36:33 - Come here. I want to talk to you.
00:36:36 - This is my house.
00:36:39 I did not give you up
00:36:41 - What business do we have?
00:36:44 Right here, right now.
00:36:46 You haven't mentioned my name?
00:36:49 - What am I gonna mention your name for?
00:36:50 How the hell do I know about
00:36:52 It happened just after I talked to you.
00:36:56 Well, I don't like paranoid accusations.
00:36:59 Think. Use your head.
00:37:03 who could provide me with information
00:37:07 - You came all the way
00:37:10 Big Tobacco
00:37:12 and you got something
00:37:14 But yes, I did. I came all
00:37:18 Story, no story...
00:37:22 I don't burn people.
00:37:55 Ride with me while I
00:38:25 My little girl has acute asthma.
00:38:27 Deborah, my oldest daughter.
00:38:31 And I'm unemployed, so I have
00:38:36 So I left them a message
00:38:42 I will sign it.
00:38:45 - They're afraid of you, aren't they?
00:38:54 Talk to me outside the zone
00:38:57 - Like what?
00:39:01 Johnson &Johnson.
00:39:03 Union Carbide in Japan.
00:39:05 I was the general manager and director
00:39:08 I was a director
00:39:13 All health-related.
00:39:17 What else
00:39:22 I don't know. Do you think the Knicks
00:39:37 - Just give me an example.
00:39:39 For example, um,
00:39:41 - C.E.O. Of Johnson &Johnson.
00:39:44 When he found out that some lunatic
00:39:48 he didn't argue
00:39:50 He didn't even wait for the F.D.A.
00:39:53 off every shelf of every store
00:39:57 And then he developed a safety cap.
00:40:00 Because as a C.E.O., sure, he's
00:40:05 But he's also
00:40:07 He's not gonna allow his company
00:40:12 Not like
00:40:14 - Seven Dwarfs?
00:40:17 They got in front of Congress
00:40:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Swore under oath that
00:40:22 It was on C-SPAN.
00:40:24 Okay, so, here you are.
00:40:29 You come from corporate cultures
00:40:32 really creative thinking...
00:40:34 You go to tobacco.
00:40:37 market and sell enormous volume,
00:40:40 The hell with everything else.
00:40:43 - Why are you working
00:40:45 The work I was supposed to do...
00:40:48 might have had some positive effect,
00:40:51 Could have been beneficial.
00:40:56 I took the money.
00:40:59 My kids had good medical,
00:41:02 I mean, what the hell
00:41:04 Nothing's wrong with that. That's it.
00:41:07 You're providing for your family.
00:41:12 I always thought of myself as a man of
00:41:18 Then you're in
00:41:21 Because look,
00:41:23 If you've got vital
00:41:26 the American people, for their
00:41:28 and you feel impelled
00:41:30 and violate your agreement
00:41:33 On the other hand, if you want
00:41:37 then that's simple...
00:41:39 You say nothing,
00:41:41 There's only one guy
00:41:45 and that's you
00:41:53 I gotta go pick up the girls.
00:42:14 I've heard virtually
00:42:17 - Yes or no, do you believe
00:42:20 cigarettes and nicotine clearly
00:42:25 - There is no intoxication.
00:42:28 Again, time is short.
00:42:30 I think each of you believe
00:42:32 and just would like to
00:42:35 I believe that nicotine
00:42:39 I too believe
00:42:41 He referred to this...
00:42:44 - What Seven Dwarfs?
00:42:47 Said they should be afraid of him.
00:42:51 Now you tell me. What does this guy
00:42:56 Well, it isn't cigarettes
00:42:58 - Hardly new news.
00:43:02 - What's this?
00:43:06 It's the "we don't know"
00:43:08 Addiction? We believe not.
00:43:12 We take a bunch of leaves,
00:43:14 After that, you're on your own.
00:43:18 So, that
00:43:20 - Besides, you'll never get
00:43:23 Because of this guy's
00:43:25 he's never gonna be able
00:43:27 That's not good enough.
00:43:30 in the number-three
00:43:32 He's a corporate officer.
00:43:36 This guy is
00:43:39 He's got something to say. He wants
00:43:42 Doesn't matter what he wants.
00:43:44 - What do you mean, Mike?
00:43:47 Give me a break.
00:43:49 This is a public health issue, like an
00:43:53 or some company dumping cyanide
00:43:56 Issues like that.
00:43:58 They've got no right to hide behind
00:44:02 They don't need the right.
00:44:05 The unlimited checkbook.
00:44:08 every time
00:44:10 They spend you to death.
00:44:15 Chadbourne-Park, Ken Starr's firm,
00:44:19 Listen, G.M. And Ford,
00:44:21 after 11 or 12 pickups
00:44:24 - These clowns have never... I mean ever...
00:44:27 Not even with hundreds of thousands
00:44:31 related to their product have ever
00:44:34 On this case, they'll issue gag orders,
00:44:38 enjoin him, you, us,
00:44:42 tie 'em up in litigation for ten
00:44:46 Every time. He knows that.
00:44:56 Okay, let's look through
00:45:00 What do you mean?
00:45:02 We got a guy who wants to talk,
00:45:05 - What if he were compelled to talk?
00:45:08 What do you mean, "compelled"?
00:45:10 I mean, compelled
00:45:13 State courts.
00:45:15 That would cut through any
00:45:18 - What does that do?
00:45:21 What I mean is like, how does it cut
00:45:24 Because he has to, uh,
00:45:27 It's on record. It's out.
00:45:29 So how can they restrain his speech
00:45:33 If you could engineer it into the
00:45:36 They would have a hell of a time
00:45:39 Yeah, but what venue? And where does
00:45:43 I don't think he's got
00:45:45 He's gonna need attorneys who aren't
00:45:49 and millions of dollars
00:45:53 What do you say, Mike?
00:45:58 Even if he gets
00:46:05 will he go for it?
00:46:13 You're awfully
00:46:23 I'm trying to start
00:46:27 I believe I could be
00:46:33 Let me give it
00:46:40 And not a lot of companies in the health
00:47:16 That's it.
00:47:26 It's where
00:47:33 Debbie took her first steps
00:47:37 In the grass.
00:47:42 - I didn't plan on this.
00:47:45 Come on. Come on.
00:47:51 We can make this
00:47:55 It's just...
00:47:57 It's just...
00:48:00 Simpler, easier.
00:48:04 More time.
00:48:08 More time
00:48:10 More time for us.
00:48:16 Can you imagine me
00:48:19 feeling good
00:48:24 This is gonna be better.
00:48:28 This is gonna be better.
00:48:48 Love your home
00:48:53 You'll find incredible
00:48:57 with extra savings on every style
00:49:07 If you've been putting off
00:49:11 now's the time to act during the
00:49:16 - Back to...
00:49:33 Hey, baby.
00:49:35 Who's that outside,
00:49:40 - Did you see somebody
00:49:44 - Where?
00:50:03 Sit at Daddy's desk, okay?
00:50:05 All right?
00:50:07 Get out some paper,
00:50:16 What are you gonna draw me, baby?
00:50:21 You stay down here until Daddy
00:50:24 You stay down here.
00:51:21 You almost got
00:52:01 Daddy!
00:52:04 It was just a raccoon, baby.
00:52:08 They're nocturnal.
00:52:10 That means that they
00:52:25 - Yeah.
00:52:27 - Yeah.
00:52:29 Is it too late?
00:52:32 No, no, it's okay. I...
00:52:34 How-How's the new place?
00:52:36 The new place?
00:52:38 - You okay?
00:52:42 I was thinking of
00:52:45 - Uh, how's your kids,
00:52:50 - You got kids?
00:52:53 One's hers, one's mine.
00:52:57 Modern marriage.
00:52:59 Uh, how's Liane?
00:53:02 Uh, she's okay. Uh...
00:53:06 Hold on a minute.
00:53:14 Lowell.
00:53:16 Somebody may be following me. I-I don't
00:53:20 What do you mean, following you?
00:53:23 I-I don't wanna be paranoid.
00:53:26 - Maybe it's a game.
00:53:29 I don't know what the fuck
00:53:31 Are they doing it?
00:53:34 Are they doing it
00:53:36 Are they doing it for real and don't
00:53:39 - I don't fuckin' know.
00:53:42 in detail what happened.
00:53:44 Well...
00:53:46 No. Look, I mean, there was
00:53:49 It's probably
00:53:52 You know, I got a job now. I'm teaching
00:53:58 Uh, so, uh, what were you
00:54:01 - You called me.
00:54:05 - So, what about?
00:54:08 I wanted to hook up with you,
00:54:14 Okay.
00:54:16 It makes you feel good,
00:54:22 - How'd you know that, Lowell?
00:54:28 Hello?
00:54:30 Yeah.
00:54:33 Look, um...
00:54:35 Thanks for talking.
00:54:37 - I didn't know.
00:54:49 Lowell.
00:54:53 Who is this?
00:54:54 Do not call here!
00:55:21 What are you
00:55:23 Tempura.
00:55:28 The Internet said you did
00:55:31 then went to U.C. La Jolla
00:55:34 - Marcus...
00:55:36 He was my mentor.
00:55:39 He had a major influence
00:55:42 And on me, personally.
00:55:44 - Next to your father?
00:55:46 What the hell's that got
00:55:51 I, uh...
00:55:53 Is that why you became a journalist?
00:55:57 You charge by the hour?
00:56:00 My father was a...
00:56:03 Most ingenious man
00:56:05 My father left us
00:56:07 He was not the most ingenious man
00:56:09 Let's get back to Brown & Williamson.
00:56:13 I gotta know everything
00:56:17 - Why?
00:56:21 They're gonna throw it at you.
00:56:24 You understand?
00:56:28 I drink.
00:56:30 - Couple of occasions
00:56:36 I was cited for shoplifting
00:56:42 Pushed Liane one time. We were both
00:56:45 She went to her mother's.
00:56:48 I got, uh, fired,
00:56:51 when I get angry, I have
00:56:53 and I don't like
00:56:56 I'm not pushing you around.
00:57:02 I'm just a commodity
00:57:05 I could be anything, right? Anything
00:57:08 To a network, probably,
00:57:10 To me, you're not a commodity.
00:57:14 You go public, and 30 million people
00:57:18 nothing... I mean nothing...
00:57:21 - You believe that?
00:57:23 You should. Because when
00:57:26 is gonna go down in the court
00:57:30 And that's...
00:57:33 - You believe that?
00:57:36 - Yes, I believe that.
00:57:38 - because you get information out
00:57:40 Maybe that's just what you've been
00:57:43 to justify having a good job.
00:57:45 Having status.
00:57:47 Maybe for the audience
00:57:50 Maybe it won't
00:57:52 and people like myself
00:57:54 are left hung out to dry,
00:57:59 Are you talking to me, or did somebody
00:58:03 Don't evade a choice you gotta make
00:58:07 or 60 Minutes
00:58:09 I have to put my family's welfare
00:58:12 - What are you putting up?
00:58:15 While you've been dicking around some
00:58:18 I've been out in the world
00:58:21 and backing it up
00:58:27 Now, are you gonna go
00:58:32 I said I'd call the kids
00:58:47 Stringer was supposed to be shooting
00:58:51 - What's with all the horses?
00:58:54 Don't any of these guys
00:58:58 - How long are these things?
00:59:00 Hello. Yes, I'm trying
00:59:02 This is Richard Scruggs.
00:59:05 Can you hold on
00:59:07 Lowell, got him
00:59:12 - Hello, I'm Lowell Bergman.
00:59:15 Mobile Approach, this is
00:59:21 Request a flight level
00:59:23 on a heading
00:59:28 - Mr. Bergman?
00:59:30 - Could you call me back on a hard line?
00:59:32 - Area code 212-555-0199.
00:59:43 What do we do with that?
00:59:46 I don't know.
00:59:49 Richard Scruggs.
00:59:51 You filed a lawsuit against tobacco
00:59:54 - Did you not?
00:59:56 I'm working with someone now
01:00:00 Former corporate officer there.
01:00:03 What's your interest
01:00:05 Well, he may tape
01:00:07 and we believe if his testimony
01:00:10 it would free him up from his
01:00:14 It could work. If it's public record,
01:00:17 Yeah, and he's gonna need
01:00:19 He sure as hell will.
01:00:22 Has he decided
01:00:24 Because let me tell ya.
01:00:27 and we've worked with a lot of corporate
01:00:30 So we know Big Tobacco will do
01:00:34 So is your man
01:00:37 Well, actually, no... Well, he's
01:00:42 Well, we'd certainly be interested
01:00:46 But without knowing
01:00:48 Would you want him to call you, or you
01:00:51 It would be better
01:00:54 - Yeah. Okay.
01:00:56 Okay. Thank you.
01:01:02 We need cops on the streets.
01:01:05 - I don't know what he was thinking.
01:01:07 - This guy got a horse fetish?
01:01:09 Get me, uh...
01:01:11 I'll shoot
01:01:15 - Have a good one.
01:01:36 What are you cooking?
01:01:38 - I'm cooking pasta primavera.
01:01:45 I'm going to
01:02:18 Jeffrey!
01:02:41 Jeffrey! Jeffrey!
01:02:43 Jeffrey! Jeffrey!
01:03:13 - What happened?
01:03:17 Uniforms arrived on the scene, found
01:03:22 - Was it gang related?
01:03:25 as far as a tag or an advertisement.
01:03:30 Yeah.
01:03:33 They're terrorizing us.
01:03:36 Whoa. What are you
01:03:38 - Someone put a bullet in my mailbox.
01:03:41 - Right away.
01:03:44 - Jeff...
01:03:46 What does it cost these people
01:03:51 My girls are crying.
01:03:53 - I wanna tape. I'm done...
01:03:55 I gotta arrange
01:03:58 I gotta get you to testify in court,
01:04:01 Then hold it off the air until you
01:04:03 and I wanna go on the record...
01:04:07 - Good. But, Jeff...
01:04:15 Did you handle the round,
01:04:19 Yes, I'm afraid I did.
01:04:21 We won't be able to lift
01:04:25 Do you own a gun,
01:04:29 - A gun? Yes.
01:04:32 What caliber is my gun?
01:04:34 Yes, sir.
01:04:37 What does that have to do
01:04:43 You think I put the bullet
01:04:47 If we could
01:05:02 Why do you keep this gun?
01:05:04 I don't think it's unconstitutional
01:05:07 That bullet was for a.38 caliber.
01:05:10 Yes, I do. A.38 Target Master
01:05:13 A.45 Gold Cup,
01:05:17 Do you have a history
01:05:21 Yeah. Yes, I do.
01:05:23 Yes, I get extremely emotional when
01:05:27 I didn't tell you that so you could
01:05:31 - Jeffrey!
01:05:33 I told them you had an e-mail
01:05:35 if you didn't shut the "F" up,
01:05:37 You can't take that. It's personal
01:05:40 letters to my brother, my will.
01:05:54 You all right?
01:06:05 That computer has
01:06:08 You all right, Mr. Wigand?
01:06:10 We need to take a look
01:06:29 I'm telling you... your agents
01:06:33 Now who are they
01:06:35 Let me, tell you something,
01:06:37 You're talking about two agents
01:06:39 I got the goddamned Unabomber
01:06:42 I gotta move 45 agents
01:06:46 All right? When I get a chance,
01:06:48 You better take a good
01:06:51 Pissed off and curious!
01:06:53 Now, any of these guys been offered jobs
01:06:58 Either one of those guys got
01:07:01 Like, for instance, their ex-supervisor
01:07:04 as we fuckin' speak!
01:07:07 - I'll give it a look.
01:07:08 I'll give it a look.
01:07:12 So is everything okay?
01:07:15 - How are the rooms? Comfortable?
01:07:18 Do you know,
01:07:21 When you're talkin' to somebody,
01:07:25 Thank you for saying that.
01:07:27 Do you think we could
01:07:29 Tomorrow's taping? Just so we
01:07:34 Yeah, well, questions will go
01:07:38 Taping?
01:07:44 - What are you taping?
01:07:51 An interview?
01:07:58 Do you know what
01:08:01 I thought we...
01:08:07 I'm sorry.
01:08:09 Liane, this is
01:08:20 You didn't
01:08:23 What did she think she was
01:08:26 Talk about it, think about it.
01:08:30 but I really...
01:08:38 Oh, man.
01:08:44 Who are these people?
01:08:49 Ordinary people under
01:08:54 What the hell you expect,
01:09:24 Five, four, three, two...
01:09:29 You heard Mr. Sandefur say...
01:09:31 before Congress that he believed
01:09:36 I believe Mr. Sandefur
01:09:39 because I watched those
01:09:41 All of us did. I mean,
01:09:45 whole line of C.E.O. 's
01:09:47 Part of the reason
01:09:51 that their representation
01:09:53 at least within Brown & Williamson's
01:09:55 clearly misstated what is common
01:10:00 We are in
01:10:02 And that's what
01:10:04 Delivery device for nicotine.
01:10:06 A delivery device
01:10:08 Put it in your mouth, light it up
01:10:11 - You're gonna get your fix.
01:10:15 manipulates and adjusts
01:10:18 not by artificially
01:10:20 but by enhancing
01:10:23 through the use
01:10:28 The process is known
01:10:30 While not spiking nicotine,
01:10:33 they clearly manipulate it.
01:10:36 There is extensive use of this
01:10:40 It allows for the nicotine to be
01:10:44 and therefore affect the brain
01:10:50 The straw that broke the camel's
01:10:54 was a compound called coumarin.
01:10:56 When I came on board
01:10:58 they had tried to transition
01:11:03 that would give the same taste
01:11:06 I wanted it out immediately.
01:11:10 that it would effect sales, so
01:11:14 I constructed a memo to Mr. Sandefur
01:11:17 continue with coumarin
01:11:20 we had documentation... was similar to
01:11:24 And you sent the document
01:11:27 I sent the document
01:11:29 I was told that we would
01:11:32 We weren't going to remove it
01:11:36 In other words,
01:11:38 and Brown & Williamson...
01:11:40 with ignoring health
01:11:45 - Most certainly.
01:11:48 Thomas Sandefur,
01:11:51 had you fired.
01:11:55 And the reason
01:11:59 Poor communication skills.
01:12:03 And you wish
01:12:06 You wish you hadn't
01:12:10 Yeah, there are times
01:12:15 There are times I feel com...
01:12:20 If you'd asked me...
01:12:22 would I do it again,
01:12:28 Yeah, I think it's worth it.
01:13:02 - Hi.
01:13:05 My name is Jeff Wigand.
01:13:10 You can call me, uh,
01:13:12 You can call me
01:13:14 I have a Ph.D. In biochemistry
01:13:17 You can call me Jeff.
01:13:22 Anything else you want to call me,
01:13:24 Um, okay.
01:13:28 I find chemistry
01:13:30 I find it an adventure.
01:13:32 An exploration into the building
01:13:36 So how many of you have
01:13:42 Okay. I've never taught it
01:13:45 Our first experiment
01:13:47 the molecular weight
01:13:51 He's on line three.
01:13:57 - Hello?
01:14:01 Lowell Bergman said
01:14:03 My co-counsel,
01:14:05 have filed a lawsuit against
01:14:09 to get the state
01:14:11 for treatin' people
01:14:15 If you'd be interested
01:14:17 we'd certainly like
01:14:21 When should we do this?
01:14:46 Who the hell are you?
01:14:48 - It's okay, Jeff. It's okay.
01:14:51 You've got
01:14:57 You know, Lowell,
01:14:59 No, they volunteered.
01:15:03 How're you doing, Mr. Wigand?
01:15:06 There'll be three of us
01:15:09 I'm going to the store. Please explain
01:15:15 Mrs. Wigand's leaving the house.
01:15:21 Uh, I called Richard Scruggs
01:15:25 - I heard.
01:15:31 So I'm gonna fly to Pascagoula,
01:15:33 I know. I'm gonna
01:15:37 You all right?
01:15:40 - Did you have a good day?
01:15:42 - Uh, coffee, Lowell?
01:15:45 Wanna play that game
01:15:47 You know, I think you
01:15:50 I was ahead of you,
01:16:12 Please don't wash your hands
01:16:16 Where should I wash them?
01:16:19 Use the bathroom.
01:16:21 What's the difference?
01:16:23 That's for food.
01:16:38 Leave it on.
01:17:36 I don't think
01:17:44 I want to stand by
01:17:46 I really do, Jeffrey,
01:17:50 I don't think I can
01:17:56 I am so sorry.
01:18:16 Can we talk about this
01:18:24 Yes, Jeffrey.
01:19:20 It's okay.
01:19:35 Jeff!
01:19:40 You've been served.
01:19:54 Now, what this one is is
01:19:57 a gag order,
01:20:00 Jeff Wigand,
01:20:03 Good to meet you,
01:20:04 Mike's our attorney general
01:20:06 I was just explaining to Jeff
01:20:09 to issue a gag order
01:20:11 - Right.
01:20:14 they tried to get
01:20:16 but the judge threw it out.
01:20:18 However, for you, there is a more
01:20:22 Dr. Wigand, you do understand
01:20:29 I'm not free to testify...
01:20:33 That's right. If you violate
01:20:36 when you
01:20:38 they can find you in contempt
01:20:41 And you ought to know that.
01:20:46 - Jail.
01:20:49 That is one of the possible consequences
01:20:52 That's right.
01:20:58 How does...
01:21:02 Wh-What does my family do?
01:21:05 Go on welfare?
01:21:08 If my wife has to work,
01:21:11 Put food on the table?
01:21:13 If I'm not teaching,
01:21:16 No medical, even on co-pay,
01:21:19 Dr. Wigand, listen.
01:21:22 You may not be able
01:21:25 As I understand from Dick,
01:21:27 and I hope
01:21:31 Um, I guess we'd all
01:21:34 Guys, I gotta go.
01:21:36 I'll see y'all later.
01:21:49 I know what you're facing,
01:21:52 And I think I know
01:21:55 In the navy, I flew
01:21:59 In combat, events have
01:22:03 Sometimes minutes.
01:22:05 But what you're going through
01:22:08 whether you're
01:22:10 Week in, week out.
01:22:12 Month after month
01:22:15 Whether you're up
01:22:18 You're assaulted
01:22:21 You're assaulted
01:22:23 which is its own special kind
01:22:28 What school can you afford?
01:22:30 How will that
01:22:33 You're asking yourself,
01:22:35 "Will that limit
01:22:38 You feel your whole family's future
01:22:40 held hostage.
01:22:43 I do know how it is.
01:22:59 You attract a crowd.
01:23:01 Yeah.
01:23:04 I heard about
01:23:11 I don't know what to do.
01:24:13 Hold on a second.
01:24:16 Would you please ask Mr. Motley if he
01:24:47 I can't seem to find
01:24:52 It's too big a decision to make
01:24:57 Maybe things have changed.
01:25:20 A lot's changed.
01:25:27 You mean since this morning?
01:25:31 No, I mean since whenever.
01:25:40 Fuck it.
01:25:43 Let's go to court.
01:25:45 Dr. Wigand would like to leave now.
01:28:06 Okay, Jeff. I'm gonna sit you down
01:28:08 I want to start
01:28:10 I don't want to give them a chance to
01:28:13 - Let's go.
01:28:23 Please stand.
01:28:26 Do you swear to tell the truth,
01:28:30 - I do.
01:28:33 You understand, Dr. Wigand,
01:28:36 This is a sworn deposition.
01:28:40 Will you state your name
01:28:43 Jeffrey S. Wigand.
01:28:50 Got any idea what's
01:28:52 No, I don't have
01:28:56 - That is correct.
01:28:59 - Object to the form of the question.
01:29:01 - Object to the form...
01:29:03 - Object!
01:29:05 Your objection's been recorded.
01:29:07 She typed it into her little machine
01:29:10 So now I'll proceed
01:29:16 - Does it act as a drug?
01:29:19 I am instructing you...
01:29:22 not to answer that question.
01:29:24 In accordance to the terms of
01:29:28 undertaken by you...
01:29:30 not to disclose
01:29:33 about your work at the Brown
01:29:37 And in accordance
01:29:40 of the temporary
01:29:42 that has been
01:29:44 by the court
01:29:48 That means you don't talk.
01:29:51 Mr. Motley, we have rights here.
01:29:53 Oh, you've got rights.
01:29:55 And lefts.
01:29:59 So what? You don't get
01:30:03 This is not North Carolina,
01:30:08 This is the sovereign state
01:30:11 Wipe that smirk off your face!
01:30:14 Dr. Wigand's deposition
01:30:17 And I'm gonna take my witness' testimony
01:30:35 Answer the question,
01:30:37 Yes. It produces
01:30:42 Um, nicotine
01:30:45 impact, satisfaction.
01:30:47 It has a pharmacological effect that
01:30:55 Thank you, Doctor. Thank you.
01:31:39 One of the reasons
01:31:42 that their representation
01:31:47 Run that Sandefur piece
01:31:51 Run that on camera, then cut right to
01:31:55 Then go wide to the C.E.O. S
01:31:58 Then back on Jeff...
01:32:00 and play the pause after
01:32:03 Hell of a show, Mike.
01:32:08 - It went great in Mississippi, Mike.
01:32:12 - I heard Wigand's deposition got sealed.
01:32:14 They argued that he was going
01:32:20 Sealed doesn't hurt Scruggs’ litigation,
01:32:22 and since we're the only ones
01:32:26 I like that.
01:32:28 We've got a meeting at "Black Rock"
01:32:30 - When's the air date?
01:32:34 - Tell her I'll call her back in ten.
01:32:38 That they had long
01:32:41 is an addictive drug despite their
01:32:45 Like the testimony before Congress
01:32:49 Brown & Williamson's chief
01:32:52 I believe that nicotine
01:32:55 I believe Mr. Sandefur
01:32:57 because I watched those
01:33:00 All of us did.
01:33:03 whole line of C.E.O.'s
01:33:06 Part of the reason
01:33:10 that their representation
01:33:12 what is common language
01:33:14 We are in the nicotine
01:33:16 There is extensive use of this
01:33:20 It allows for the nicotine to be
01:33:23 and therefore affect the brain
01:33:26 That's what cigarettes are for.
01:33:29 A delivery device
01:33:32 light it up and
01:33:34 You're going to get your fix.
01:36:33 - Shall I send for coffee?
01:36:36 - Are you sure?
01:36:38 All right. I thought
01:36:41 because there's
01:36:43 that has been getting
01:36:45 Tortious interference.
01:36:47 If two people have an agreement,
01:36:51 and one of them breaks it because they
01:36:55 the third party can be sued
01:36:58 Hence, tortious interference.
01:37:01 "Interfering"?
01:37:04 I think what we're trying to tell you
01:37:06 This is a news organization. People are
01:37:10 We have to verify if it's true
01:37:14 And after we corroborate it.
01:37:19 - Anything else?
01:37:23 And I don't think it would hurt
01:37:27 Why? You think we have liability?
01:37:31 What's the CBS News position,
01:37:33 There's a possibility.
01:37:35 But one we
01:37:38 I've retained outside counsel
01:37:41 on a segment, I might add,
01:37:45 What does that mean?
01:37:47 I'm told unusual promises
01:37:50 No, only that we would hold his story
01:37:53 And I'm told there are questions
01:37:56 His "veracity" was good enough
01:37:59 Our standards have to be
01:38:02 because we are the standard
01:38:05 Well, as a "standard," I'll hang with
01:38:10 Well, with tortious interference,
01:38:12 the greater the truth,
01:38:17 - Come again?
01:38:20 the information he's disclosing.
01:38:22 The truer it is,
01:38:24 the greater
01:38:26 If he lied, he didn't
01:38:35 - Is this Alice in Wonderland?
01:38:39 What about this one?
01:38:41 If this holds up...
01:38:45 But if it did
01:38:48 and CBS was sued
01:38:52 I think we could be
01:38:54 - How grave?
01:38:58 because of your segment,
01:39:00 the Brown & Williamson
01:39:03 could own CBS.
01:39:07 Oh. You know,
01:39:10 I am sorry,
01:39:13 Is CBS Corporate
01:39:16 "Do not go to air
01:39:20 You're getting ahead of yourself.
01:39:22 We're all CBS.
01:39:26 Thank you, gentlemen.
01:39:34 "Tortious interference."
01:39:36 That sounds like a disease
01:39:39 - Lunch?
01:39:42 Don't worry.
01:39:57 Hello?
01:39:59 Debbie, it's me. I want
01:40:02 and give me John Wilson's number
01:40:12 - What now?
01:40:22 Hello, Lowell, Mike.
01:40:24 Don.
01:40:26 There has been so much soul searching
01:40:31 I've decided we should cut
01:40:33 I've decided we should cut
01:40:35 So what happened to Ms. Caperelli's
01:40:39 - All that crap?
01:40:41 Hopefully, we won't have to use
01:40:44 - I'm not touching my film.
01:40:46 - No, I'm not.
01:40:50 If you like, I can assign
01:40:56 Since when has the, uh,
01:40:58 paragon of
01:41:01 allowed lawyers to determine
01:41:05 It's an alternate version.
01:41:08 So what if we have
01:41:10 And I don't think our being cautious
01:41:14 So now, if you will
01:41:16 Mr. Rather's been complaining
01:41:19 Before you go,
01:41:22 I discovered this.
01:41:26 S.E.C. Filing for the sale of CBS
01:41:31 - What?
01:41:33 It's not a rumor. It's a sale.
01:41:36 for $81 a share
01:41:38 and then is
01:41:40 with a multi-billion dollar
01:41:44 that could screw up the sale,
01:41:46 - What are you implying?
01:41:50 Uh, " More vested interests. Persons
01:41:53 "Ms. Helen Caperelli, general counsel
01:41:59 "Mr. Eric Kluster,
01:42:02 1.4 million."
01:42:04 Are you suggesting that
01:42:07 No, no, of course they're not
01:42:11 And you are a volunteer
01:42:14 CBS does not do that. And you're
01:42:18 No, I'm questioning
01:42:20 You hear "reasonable"
01:42:22 I hear "potential Brown
01:42:25 jeopardizing the sale
01:42:28 I hear "Shut the segment down.
01:42:31 Obey orders and fuck off."
01:42:34 - You're exaggerating.
01:42:36 You pay me
01:42:39 to draw him out, to get him to trust
01:42:42 I do. I deliver him.
01:42:45 He violates his own fucking
01:42:49 And he's only the key witness in the
01:42:53 maybe the biggest,
01:42:55 corporate malfeasance case
01:42:57 And Jeffrey Wigand,
01:43:00 does he go on television
01:43:02 Yes.
01:43:04 Yes.
01:43:07 Of course not. Why?
01:43:09 Because he's not
01:43:11 Because he is telling the truth.
01:43:15 And the more truth he tells,
01:43:17 You are a fanatic,
01:43:21 If we can't have a whole show, then
01:43:25 But, oh, no. Not you. You
01:43:28 What are you? Are you a businessman
01:43:31 Because that happens to be
01:43:34 and some other people
01:43:36 - Lowell...
01:43:40 These people are
01:43:42 - for doing what we do on the line!
01:43:45 What?
01:43:47 I'm with Don
01:44:10 What's wrong?
01:44:12 They're killing
01:44:15 - What?
01:44:22 What are you and Mike
01:44:27 I'm alone on this.
01:44:30 - Oh, baby.
01:45:00 It's Jeffrey Wigand.
01:45:12 Jeffrey.
01:45:15 How's the family?
01:45:17 - There is... There is no family.
01:45:20 Uh, Liane has filed for divorce.
01:45:22 And, so,
01:45:26 I see the girls
01:45:28 - Where are you staying now?
01:45:33 I checked into room 930.
01:45:37 Odd choice, huh?
01:45:43 I don't know how
01:45:45 Jeff, except to just
01:45:47 So, uh, I'll say it.
01:45:53 - What?
01:45:58 CBS is on the block.
01:46:01 - But you, I mean... I know how you...
01:46:05 No, what?
01:46:07 I do not think that you know for me
01:46:13 For my kids
01:46:16 for them to know why I've
01:46:19 The public airing of that,
01:46:23 You're telling me it's not
01:46:26 Jeff.
01:47:09 Mrs. Wigand?
01:47:13 It hasn't been Mrs. Wigand
01:47:16 I'm an investigator, and I was
01:47:22 All right.
01:47:28 Um, seven months
01:47:30 we found out that I had
01:47:33 And you had a daughter, Diane...
01:47:35 Tommy Sandefur told me himself.
01:47:37 He's not going to allow Brown
01:47:41 So I told Pete Jennings.
01:47:44 You had multiple sclerosis.
01:47:47 Uh, mention that part in the
01:47:51 First wife
01:47:54 So I was telling Pete, I said,
01:47:56 The divorce was something
01:48:00 He's a shoplifter.
01:48:02 He's a convicted
01:48:23 So, um, what are you
01:48:26 What do you think I'm gonna do?
01:48:29 I'm not gonna do that.
01:48:31 You're taking "no"
01:48:33 No, I'm not gonna take
01:48:36 You're not?
01:48:39 I'm staying right here, doing my job.
01:48:42 You don't like it?
01:48:45 Fire my ass.
01:48:48 End up in a high-profile lawsuit with
01:48:55 I don't think so.
01:48:59 This is a summary of a dossier
01:49:01 He wouldn't lie
01:49:04 Who's gonna believe him
01:49:06 The Wall Street Journal is doing
01:49:11 You backed the wrong horse.
01:49:13 The version without the interview
01:49:23 What was that about?
01:49:26 - Get me Wigand.
01:49:31 What the fuck is this?
01:49:34 You never told me
01:49:37 - That you had a daughter.
01:49:40 That is not something
01:49:42 Oh, you know what we do
01:49:44 - Since when have you become
01:49:46 - Look up my ass too?
01:49:49 - You're not even on this anymore.
01:49:51 Everybody is on the line here.
01:49:55 they can paint everything with
01:49:58 - Everything you say.
01:50:00 Everything you say.
01:50:03 with one hand tied
01:50:05 because you keep from me
01:50:08 And they will discover
01:50:11 I was young!
01:50:13 Confused. We didn't
01:50:16 - She sued you for back payments
01:50:19 We had a dispute over money. I settled
01:50:24 - Any other questions?
01:50:25 about being on the American
01:50:29 - What?
01:50:31 got hold of a tape of an interview
01:50:33 you were on the American
01:50:35 What kind of shit is this?
01:50:38 I was not on the team.
01:50:42 - Okay?
01:50:45 - ABC...
01:50:48 The can opener!
01:50:51 I cancelled payment.
01:50:54 You ever bounce a check, Lowell?
01:50:57 You ever cheat a little
01:50:59 Whose life, if you look at it under
01:51:03 Well, that's the whole point, Jeffrey.
01:51:05 Anyone's, everyone's.
01:51:09 dig up every flaw,
01:51:13 They are going to distort and exaggerate
01:51:17 - Don't you understand?
01:51:19 - That's not the point...
01:51:21 - I told the truth!
01:51:24 That's not the fucking point,
01:51:29 Hello?
01:51:33 I told the truth.
01:51:37 I told the truth.
01:51:40 I gotta teach class. I gotta go.
01:51:43 - I gotta teach class.
01:51:47 in this report before
01:51:53 I am trying to protect you,
01:51:56 I hope you improve
01:52:17 They're cutting the interest rate,
01:52:26 - Hello?
01:52:28 Are you guys planning to do a piece on
01:52:32 - You caught me in a news meeting.
01:52:35 You bet we are,
01:52:37 - We gotta hook up.
01:52:40 - P.J.'s.
01:52:50 Yeah, I got it.
01:52:52 They looked in every corner
01:52:56 to shoplifting, to a traffic ticket
01:52:59 It's Terry Lenzner's outfit,
01:53:03 Their strategy: Discredit
01:53:07 and then nobody will ever listen
01:53:11 He's dead unless I can
01:53:14 Make it even
01:53:16 I don't know if you're
01:53:19 - Is there any truth to any of it?
01:53:21 "Is there any truth to any of it?"
01:53:24 - What's the deadline?
01:53:31 - Fax me the summary.
01:53:40 - Hey. How are you? Hey, listen.
01:53:43 I hear you guys are sitting
01:53:47 - Really? Hi, June.
01:53:52 - Catch you later.
01:53:56 - When's your deadline?
01:53:57 - Push it.
01:54:00 It's a smear campaign,
01:54:02 - It's drawn from
01:54:04 Real selective. About as hard to get
01:54:07 Well, it's authoritive...
01:54:11 And it's bullshit. And if
01:54:14 the Journal's reputation behind a story
01:54:17 I'll take a look at what you got
01:54:28 Are you all right?
01:54:32 Yeah.
01:54:43 Officer Muravchick?
01:54:45 Thank you.
01:54:48 Officer Muravchick,
01:54:51 - I'm Sandra Sutherland.
01:54:53 Fine, thank you.
01:54:55 Mind if I sit down?
01:54:59 Your Honor,
01:55:02 You presided in a dispute
01:55:06 Jeffrey Wigand?
01:55:09 CBS is under criticism because
01:55:13 will not be presenting
01:55:15 What the hell
01:55:18 What does it look like
01:55:20 No, no, no that. I'm talking
01:55:23 They got the story that
01:55:27 Did you tell them
01:55:29 No!
01:55:31 I told them I disagreed
01:55:33 that this segment
01:55:36 I'm not lying for you.
01:55:38 - Not on any of it.
01:55:41 Okay? Take a vacation. Now!
01:55:47 Lowell? Look, I've decided
01:55:51 I did three minutes on the
01:55:54 - Where are you going?
01:55:57 in lieu of being fired.
01:56:00 I took off on Tisch.
01:56:03 They'll know they're not, uh, going
01:56:07 I don't know. How does that
01:56:10 Do me a favor,
01:56:12 For God's sake, get in the
01:56:14 I'm going to resign in protest
01:56:18 The answer's no. I don't plan
01:56:21 wandering in the wilderness
01:56:24 That decision
01:56:27 This Sunday,
01:56:30 on the tobacco industry,
01:56:34 to keep a lid on information
01:56:37 Is there information
01:56:40 that they're not going to have
01:56:44 - Yes.
01:56:48 defended the network's decision
01:56:50 key portions
01:56:53 Mr. Kluster said, quote,
01:56:56 - Where's the rest?
01:56:59 Where the hell's the rest?
01:57:00 - Nebraska football
01:57:03 Coming up in
01:57:06 - You cut the guts out of what I said!
01:57:09 Time? Bullshit!
01:57:12 Who told you your incompetent
01:57:16 I'm trying to Band-Aid a situation
01:57:18 Mike. Mike. Mike.
01:57:21 "Mike"? Mike!
01:57:25 Try "Mr. Wallace."
01:57:26 We work in the same corporation. Doesn't
01:57:30 Now, now what are you going to do now?
01:57:33 Lawyer me some more? I've been
01:57:37 You and the people you work for
01:57:40 the highest rated, the most
01:57:58 Here. These are
01:58:01 - I want you to have your reporters...
01:58:05 Have them make
01:58:07 They'll find that these sources
01:58:12 Push the deadline,
01:58:19 I'll push it for a week.
01:58:37 What do you want
01:58:39 Mmm, he's into
01:58:43 - That remote control thing?
01:58:45 All right.
01:58:47 The 63-36 vote was three
01:58:52 - Mom. There's Dad.
01:58:54 - On the TV.
01:58:57 The most recent trouble
01:59:00 And in local news,
01:59:02 has gained access
01:59:04 on former Brown & Williamson
01:59:07 detailing charges of shoplifting
01:59:11 Wigand is currently teaching
01:59:13 at the
01:59:15 Maria.
01:59:37 Thousands of documents
01:59:40 have surfaced
01:59:42 Documents that
01:59:44 what a former
01:59:46 and the current head of the Food and
01:59:49 We learned of a tobacco insider
01:59:52 whether or not the tobacco industry
01:59:56 That insider was formerly...
01:59:58 a highly-placed executive
02:00:01 But we cannot broadcast what critical
02:00:04 addiction and public health
02:00:08 Why? Because he had to sign
02:00:11 with the tobacco company
02:00:14 The management of CBS
02:00:17 that knowing
02:00:19 if we were to broadcast
02:00:21 CBS could be faced with
02:00:25 The fact is, we are not allowed
02:00:29 or the name of the company
02:00:31 And, of course, we cannot
02:00:36 And your confidentiality
02:00:39 - Is still in force?
02:00:41 So what are they gonna do?
02:00:44 I would bet on it.
02:00:47 The former executive
02:00:50 for major cigarette
02:01:11 Yeah.
02:01:14 You disappeared on me.
02:01:16 - How long you staying?
02:01:19 All right.
02:01:23 I think it was
02:01:48 - Still no answer.
02:01:53 David. David, you've got
02:01:55 I think you
02:01:58 This is David McDougal.
02:02:00 Mr. McDougal, my name is Lowell Bergman.
02:02:04 I'm concerned for a friend of mine
02:02:15 Mr. Wigand?
02:02:17 Mr. Wigand?
02:02:24 I-I think I need to call the police.
02:02:28 No, no, don't call the police. Just
02:02:30 My name is Lowell Bergman.
02:02:33 Mr. Wigand, Mr. Bergman
02:02:37 Did he hear you?
02:02:39 You're breaking up. I can't hear you.
02:02:42 What about now?
02:02:44 - What?
02:03:52 - What's happening?
02:03:56 All right. Now listen to me.
02:03:59 in these words:
02:04:02 I-I can't say that.
02:04:04 No, you can. Tell him
02:04:06 He told me to tell you
02:04:15 You manipulated me into this.
02:04:18 - That's bullshit, Jeff.
02:04:20 I greased the rails for a guy who wanted
02:04:24 That's all.
02:04:27 - All right? You got a mind
02:04:30 "That's the power you have,
02:04:32 Vital inside information
02:04:34 Lowell Bergman... the hotshot who never
02:04:38 I fought for you,
02:04:40 You fought for me?
02:04:43 into where I am now... staring
02:04:46 It's all dark except the tenth floor.
02:04:49 That's where they
02:04:55 Jeffrey, where you going
02:04:59 So, where you going?
02:05:06 You are... important...
02:05:08 to a lot of people,
02:05:11 You think about that.
02:05:14 You think about them.
02:05:29 I'm running out
02:05:32 Guys like you
02:05:40 Yeah, guys like you too.
02:05:46 Where are you, anyway?
02:05:48 I'm on a leave of absence.
02:05:55 - You try and have a good time.
02:05:58 Yeah, I will.
02:06:14 I'm Lowell Bergman. I'm from 60 Minutes.
02:06:17 out of that sentence,
02:06:20 Maybe Wigand's right.
02:06:25 What am I hooked on?
02:06:27 The rush of 60 Minutes?
02:06:29 What the hell for?
02:06:33 It's so fucking useless,
02:06:35 So it's a big country with a free press.
02:06:39 "Free press"?
02:06:41 For anyone who owns one.
02:06:45 - Get some perspective, Lowell.
02:06:47 No, you do not.
02:06:50 From my perspective,
02:06:53 what's been going on and what
02:06:56 - It's half-measures.
02:07:05 Really know what you're
02:07:48 I've got Richard Scruggs on the phone.
02:07:50 Patch him through.
02:07:53 Well, Lowell, you are
02:07:55 The governor of Mississippi
02:08:00 to abandon litigation
02:08:03 - Oh, good.
02:08:07 what's the chance of getting
02:08:12 - Hello?
02:08:14 What chance is there of getting
02:08:17 Less than great.
02:08:23 I'd be lying to you
02:08:25 how important it was
02:08:29 I'd be lying to you
02:08:31 I'm about out of moves,
02:08:37 All right.
02:09:00 Hi.
02:09:04 So, what are you folks
02:09:10 - Geology survey.
02:09:14 Yeah?
02:09:17 How about you?
02:09:20 I work for CBS News.
02:09:22 Oh, yeah?
02:09:51 Just ran into
02:09:53 Geologists whose hands
02:09:56 Lowell, do not...
02:10:00 We are a week away
02:10:02 - So I'll hold it. And?
02:10:07 - How long?
02:10:09 You got a deal.
02:10:26 ... like the testimony before Congress
02:10:29 Brown & Williamson's chief
02:10:33 I believe that nicotine
02:10:35 I believe Mr. Sandefur
02:10:37 - because I watched those
02:10:41 There was this
02:10:43 whole line of C.E.O.'s
02:10:46 Part of the reason I'm here
02:10:49 that their representation...
02:11:19 ...can be more rapidly absorbed
02:11:21 and therefore affect the brain
02:11:47 - Hello?
02:11:49 - Hey, where are you?
02:11:52 You asked me if we were
02:11:56 CBS Corporate leaned on CBS News,
02:11:59 with a top-ranking tobacco scientist,
02:12:03 They're trying to
02:12:05 You mean, 60 Minutes
02:12:09 decide what is
02:12:11 What's Wallace think
02:12:13 How prominent?
02:12:16 Oh, come on, Lowell. This is
02:12:19 Well, until you do, all I can
02:12:23 They will not
02:12:25 Call me back in ten.
02:12:35 - Hello?
02:12:37 Hi.
02:12:39 - Oh, it's late.
02:12:43 I can't get out of here till
02:12:46 Listen, could you call a number
02:12:50 Okay.
02:12:54 What is it?
02:13:01 - Hello?
02:13:03 All right, Lowell. Page one.
02:13:07 Here's how it works. You ask me
02:13:12 - Lowell, you sure you want to do this?
02:13:16 Hey, it doesn't work,
02:13:19 You ready?
02:13:21 Okay.
02:13:24 did Mike and Don go along
02:13:28 - Lowell?
02:13:33 No. Um, I'm assuming
02:13:37 with the threat of litigation
02:13:39 Are we talking, uh...
02:13:42 Are we talking
02:14:16 Did I get you up?
02:14:18 No, I usually sit around
02:14:22 sleepy look on my face.
02:14:26 How many shows have
02:14:28 - Come on. How many?
02:14:30 That's right.
02:14:34 But in all that time,
02:14:36 did you ever get off a plane,
02:14:39 and find that a source
02:14:44 Lost his heart?
02:14:46 Not one fucking time.
02:14:49 I see a rhetorical question
02:14:51 I'm gonna tell you why.
02:14:53 Because when I tell someone
02:14:57 Oh, how fortunate I am to have
02:15:01 - to point me down the shining
02:15:03 - Give me a break.
02:15:06 I never left a source
02:15:09 Abandoned.
02:15:12 When I came on this job,
02:15:15 I'm gonna leave with my word intact.
02:15:19 Hell, you're supposed
02:15:21 What the hell
02:15:23 You expect me to lie down?
02:15:26 Back off?
02:15:29 In the real world, when you get to where
02:15:33 Like what?
02:15:36 - What, are we talking celebrity here?
02:15:38 I'm not talking about
02:15:42 I'm...
02:15:44 when you're nearer the end
02:15:48 And what do you think
02:15:52 "In the future, I'm gonna
02:15:54 What future? No.
02:15:56 What you think is...
02:15:59 "How will I be regarded
02:16:02 after I'm gone?"
02:16:05 Oh, along the way, I suppose
02:16:09 I did Irangate,
02:16:13 Martin Luther King,
02:16:16 I showed them thieves in suits.
02:16:20 all that.
02:16:24 But history only remembers most
02:16:29 And should that be
02:16:32 that allowed a tobacco giant
02:16:42 Does it give someone...
02:16:44 at my time of life pause?
02:16:49 Yeah.
02:16:58 Mike,
02:17:01 in my...
02:17:05 You and I
02:17:08 together for 14 years.
02:17:14 This is today's
02:17:16 In it is the whole
02:17:19 of what went on
02:17:22 And in the editorial,
02:17:27 of betraying the legacy
02:17:54 They conclude most of it
02:18:05 You're full of shit,
02:18:17 Yeah.
02:18:19 Front page. There's a picture of Wigand.
02:18:22 Article's entitled,
02:18:24 Byline to Suein Hwang
02:18:26 Wait. Hold on
02:18:28 Yeah.
02:18:34 Yeah, I'll see
02:18:37 Yeah, hold on.
02:18:40 - Good.
02:18:43 has a 500-page dossier
02:18:46 It quotes Richard Scruggs
02:18:49 of an organized smear campaign
02:18:52 "A close look at the file
02:18:55 "into its key claim indicates
02:18:59 against Mr. Wigand are backed by
02:19:22 This news division has been vilified...
02:19:25 in The New York Times,
02:19:28 for caving
02:19:30 The New York Times ran a
02:19:34 - You fucked us!
02:19:36 Don't invert stuff.
02:19:38 Big Tobacco tried to smear Wigand.
02:19:41 The Wall Street Journal...
02:19:44 a bastion of
02:19:46 refutes Big Tobacco's
02:19:49 as the lowest form
02:19:52 And now, even now,
02:19:54 of what Wigand has said
02:19:57 the entire deposition
02:20:01 in the state of Mississippi,
02:20:03 totally out of the bag,
02:20:06 you're still
02:20:08 Don, what the hell else
02:20:12 Mike, you tell him.
02:20:14 You fucked up, Don.
02:20:23 It's old news. Stick with me,
02:20:26 These things have
02:20:29 No, that's fame.
02:20:33 Infamy lasts
02:20:35 We caved. It's foolish.
02:20:40 Now this is what we're going to do.
02:20:47 Okay? So let's get back to work.
02:20:52 was two potassium chlorate...
02:20:54 would yield two potassium
02:21:09 They cancelled the 6:00.
02:21:13 I'm on the 8:10.
02:21:17 I'll see you then.
02:21:33 - Oh. Thanks, Dad.
02:21:47 CBS management wouldn't
02:21:49 our original story and our
02:21:52 because they were worried
02:21:55 of a multi-billion dollar
02:21:57 for tortious interference.
02:22:00 But now things have changed.
02:22:02 What Dr. Wigand told us
02:22:33 This industry,
02:22:35 that has perpetrated the biggest fraud
02:22:39 They've killed millions
02:23:04 You wish you hadn't blown the whistle?
02:23:07 Yeah, there are times
02:23:11 There are times I feel com...
02:23:16 If you ask me...
02:23:18 would I do it again,
02:23:24 Yeah, I think it's worth it.
02:23:31 I promised you a three-hour
02:23:34 Have a camera crew standing by
02:23:38 and I'll give you
02:23:40 All right? By the way, that was
02:23:43 - Thank you, Bill.
02:24:04 You won.
02:24:07 Yeah.
02:24:12 What did I win?
02:24:17 Reporting
02:24:22 There has been a major break in
02:24:24 CBS News has learned
02:24:26 outside of Lincoln, Montana...
02:24:28 has been under F.B.I.
02:24:33 Great, Lowell.
02:24:43 Thanks for this.
02:24:46 You know, we beat everybody.
02:24:53 Mike.
02:25:02 That Canada story...
02:25:05 still interest you?
02:25:07 Everything interests me.
02:25:10 Uh, I quit, Mike.
02:25:15 Bullshit.
02:25:18 Come on.
02:25:21 It all worked out.
02:25:23 You came out okay
02:25:26 I did?
02:25:28 What do I tell a source
02:25:31 "Hang in with us.
02:25:34 No.
02:25:37 What got broken here...
02:25:40 doesn't go
02:25:47 So, uh...