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Lake Mungo
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I feel like something bad |
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I feel like something bad |
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It hasn't reached me yet |
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I don't know why |
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...like, how it helps people |
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...by making up stories |
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Alice kept secrets. |
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She kept the fact |
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It's hard for some people |
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You've to believe |
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...otherwise there's |
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Emergency services. |
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My daughter Alice |
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She's been missing. |
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I need you to talk |
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Can you hear me? |
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The normally tranquil setting |
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...was shattered |
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...of 1 6 year-old |
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...while picnicking. |
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We received a call |
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...over a missing girl. |
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Upon discovering the nature |
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...we called in the search |
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Police divers entered |
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...with volunteers joining |
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They'd swum out |
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I could see them |
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...in the picnic area. |
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I think I'd been |
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...and I said I'd get out |
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So l started swimming back and |
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...she said she'd stay there. |
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l remember Matty got out. |
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A few minutes later |
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...where was Alice. |
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So l stood up and |
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The water was |
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So I called out. |
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I looked out |
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...to see if I could see her. |
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And both the boys had |
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...you know, |
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l could see Alice's towel. |
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She clearly hadn't gone |
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...because she would've |
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That was the last time |
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Police continue to hold |
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...for 1 6 year-old |
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...who disappeared while |
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We were told to go home. |
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lf the search and rescue |
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...then they'd let us know |
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It felt very strange |
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...because there was |
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One minute she was there |
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...gone. |
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I went back to stay |
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We were just mostly waiting. |
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...and for bad news. |
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We got a call from Russell |
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...at about 9 o'clock at night. |
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He said there'd been |
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...and Alice had gone missing. |
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...we'd better go. |
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l remember June was |
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...about seeing lris. |
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There was a strange |
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lt felt a little strange |
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Mum, l and, |
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It just didn't feel like |
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It was an awful, |
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Worse night of our lives. |
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I went into Alice's room |
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Her phone went off |
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...but I didn't answer it. |
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I remember the bed |
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I remember thinking |
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I got a call from |
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She'd said that Alice |
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...and presumed |
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l did not believe her... |
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...but, I don't know, |
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...so I actually called |
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l just... |
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l wanted to see if it was |
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A real shock. |
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Just didn't really feel |
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Everything was the same |
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...but people were saying |
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Are there memories from |
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l remember we had |
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We still do, actually, |
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And why is that? |
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Just in case she comes home, |
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Divers located Alice's body |
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They used sonar to locate her. |
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...and came to rest |
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...at the bottom |
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Obviously we contacted |
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As soon as we were told |
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...June and I went down |
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It was all very official |
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They asked me to sign a |
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June stayed in the car. |
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On reflection, l think |
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...because she didn't |
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I just couldn't bring myself |
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She'd been underwater |
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l guess it's not how l... |
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I didn't want to remember her |
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l thought it |
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...as Allie's dad, you know? |
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That's what a father does. |
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The car stalled on the way |
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The only gear I could |
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So we drove back to town |
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...which was either that |
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...and given everything |
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...it seemed like |
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The autopsy was performed |
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Then the coroner |
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...on Tuesday the 28th. |
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It was very strange... |
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...spending Christmas day |
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...while Alice lay alone |
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I don't know, it was like I |
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lt didn't feel real. |
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Death takes everything, |
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It's the meanest, dumbest |
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It keeps coming |
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There's nothing else to know |
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It was a somber day |
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...and friends of Alice Palmer |
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...their final respects |
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She was a great person. |
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...clever, lovely. |
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Alice is remembered as |
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...with a zest for life. |
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The Palmer's were really |
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l think about how bad |
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...it was hard to imagine |
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1 0 days after Allie's funeral, |
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...stuff started happening |
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Noises on the roof. |
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Sounds coming outside |
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...and other movements |
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...from Allie's old room. |
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So we rehung the door... |
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...to Allie's room and |
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...to come in and check |
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It didn't help at all. |
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...and we still kept getting |
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There was just something |
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It had a fairly strange |
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...I can't explain to you |
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You'd go in there |
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...in your gut. |
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I started having |
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...and they were |
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...that sometimes |
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...to open my eyes. |
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l'd woken up but l didn't |
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There was one particular one. |
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...and recurring. Alice would |
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...still dripping |
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...and just stand at |
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...staring at us. |
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As I said, I didn't want |
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By early February... |
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...my nightmares were |
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...I began to go |
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...sometimes |
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Just so that I didn't |
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...close my eyes |
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Sometimes, I'd actually |
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I didn't feel like I was |
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l guess l really wanted to be |
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Do you remember |
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Yeah, Russell was |
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At that point, I think |
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...with his grief. |
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Russell and I met |
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We worked together. |
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You've known each |
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Yeah, a good few years. |
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Do you remember him |
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-What changed? |
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It was troubling, I didn't |
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Did you notice a breakdown? |
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Not really. Everyone grieves |
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lt wasn't really my place |
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...but l certainly |
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I was really grateful |
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l felt really guilty |
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...but l just wanted |
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One night in late February, |
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...and I was sitting |
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I heard a noise coming |
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So I went into Allie's room. |
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...but l found myself |
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...in front of the dresser. |
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Before l could work out |
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...Allie walked in. |
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She went over to her desk, |
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...and looked like |
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...for text messages |
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l was completely |
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She was completely |
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l don't know |
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...l must've moved the bed |
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...but she went |
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l knew then that she knew |
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She slowly turned around, |
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...fully for what felt |
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...and then she just |
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Stood up and said: |
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l got up and ran out |
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l could hear Russell crying. |
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...Mathew and l |
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He was sobbing. |
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He was absolutely |
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Did you believe Russell |
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Yeah, l do. l believe |
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He's not the kind of man |
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So, l believe he saw something. |
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Whether it's a real ghost |
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...but l'm sure |
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I remember trying |
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...of the church about |
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...and how to help |
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There didn't seem to be |
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I think part |
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...because they weren't |
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...and didn't know how |
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I don't even know |
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l found myself mostly |
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I guess because those two |
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I was worried |
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I remember he was |
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We were worried about him. |
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Mathew came in with some |
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Unusual in terms |
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We obviously took a history |
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...but there was no history |
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We tested him for vasculitis, |
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...or toxins in his system. |
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We were unable to turn up |
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...and several weeks |
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...resolved spontaneously, |
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...to establish a cause |
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My name is Steve Wilkie. |
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l usually stay at Mathew's |
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We started a band together. |
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We normally play music |
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Mathew seems |
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...but he was always |
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I guess there weren't |
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I'd heard about June |
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...and Mathew never wanted |
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l never asked him |
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I know that he was always |
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At this time he was |
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...with more passion. |
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Mathew was very keen |
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...so I was more |
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That's what I do. |
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He was picking my brains |
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...from equipment, |
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He was a great learner |
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Mathew, can you talk |
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...the photographs |
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...that you've been taking? |
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Yeah, basically l've taken |
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...with that composition |
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...for the past four years. |
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It's just a photograph |
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...looking out, |
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It's like a little project |
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...for myself |
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What was in the April 28th |
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Well, it was basically |
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...but it would appear... |
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...that Alice is standing |
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Remember what the reaction |
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I wouldn't say |
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...but it was better |
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lt was like it gave us |
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All of this. |
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The photographs were |
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...they were developed |
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...l looked at them |
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...and looked at the dams |
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l was quite happy |
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...it was pointed out |
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...that there was |
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This image came up. |
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When I first looked |
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...I didn't know |
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The image was quite unsettling |
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...looked like Alice. |
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It was an incredibly |
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l became convinced |
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I didn't have any |
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...for who was |
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But l did notice something |
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l'd seen Alice's body. |
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l didn't think |
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l knew she wasn't. |
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l became convinced that |
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He himself said it didn't |
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June was so convinced |
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...that l actually started |
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l started to think maybe... |
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...l'd made up in my mind |
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...before l looked. |
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The circumstances were |
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...that l decided it was her. |
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More than 3 months |
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...of Ararat teenager |
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...her grieving parents |
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...her body be exhumed |
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Has been |
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...from the Palmer family |
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...of the original |
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June and Russell Palmer |
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...that DNA testing |
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They couldn't be sure |
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...was indeed Alice. |
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Alice's body was exhumed |
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...of the funeral director, |
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There was a representative |
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It was transported |
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...where they took |
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...and she stayed there |
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A few days later, |
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...of the coroner's full |
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...and Alice's identity |
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...by the DNA sample. |
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It was only after |
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...it was Alice's body |
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...how much l'd invested |
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...of it not being her. |
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l can't tell you |
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...wanted there to have been |
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...even if it had been mine. |
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Really, really wanted there |
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...someone else's kid |
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...runaway or murder victim. |
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...as long as it wasn't my kid. |
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Alice was reburied |
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...on the 7 th of June. |
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But the question remained. |
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Who or what |
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I continued to hear things. |
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-What did you hear? |
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They were relentless. |
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...so I thought I'd set up |
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...if I see anything. |
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The first night |
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...and there was footage |
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...moving from the room, |
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...to the front door. |
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You're on Voice FM, |
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I'm Helen Bath |
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...with psychic consultant |
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Next, we have Nigel |
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Hi, Nigel, how are you? |
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It was around that time |
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...to seek out the advice |
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I had heard Ray |
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Opinion was quite divided. |
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Some thought he was |
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...others were unconvinced. |
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Next, we have Annie |
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Hi, Annie, how are you? |
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Thanks for taking |
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My pleasure. |
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I just wanted |
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General? |
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I'm Hungarian by birth. |
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My parents came out here |
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I have a 1 5 year-old daughter |
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...with her mother |
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My Christian name |
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...but I changed it to Ray. |
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I think it's a more |
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Australia's psychic of choice. |
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Most of what I do |
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...with the sick or dying, |
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lt allows them the possibility |
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lt's not the full stop... |
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...which is a consolation |
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...considering the fact |
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...after death is |
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lt's somebody very |
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Someone you haven't |
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Someone who's going |
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Someone who'll be |
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Anyone fits that bill? |
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Yeah, I can think |
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l won't lie to you, Annie, |
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I think that this person |
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...is going to make |
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...and will be |
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Thank you. |
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See you, Annie. |
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Where I come from, |
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...they block out |
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...to stop the dead |
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Things like that |
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Hello, l'm Ray. |
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lt's okay to die, Annie. |
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lt's just the start |
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lt's all right. |
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I liked Ray immediately. |
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l don't know what |
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...but there was nothing |
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...or fake about him. |
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Okay, ready? |
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Want you to close your eyes. |
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I usually videotape |
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...so they can be |
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...especially when there's |
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...or hypnotism involved. |
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I keep a copy for myself |
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Better to be safe than sorry. |
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Okay, so you're standing |
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Tell me what you see. |
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My house. |
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I'm walking towards |
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l want you to go |
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l want you to move |
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l want you to describe |
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...where you are, |
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Okay, I'm walking |
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...towards Alice's room. |
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What's there? |
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I can see Alice's shoes |
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What does that mean |
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She always used to leave |
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I want you to go inside |
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Open the door |
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Do you feel safe enough |
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-Okay. |
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I'm going inside her room. |
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You can see something, |
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Tell me what you see, June. |
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She's... |
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Alice is sitting... |
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...on the wicker chair |
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She looks up. |
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I first met Ray when... |
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...June brought him |
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...the night of her |
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l'm completely indifferent |
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...l don't have a position |
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l barely mind having him |
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...but I didn't want |
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He was a pleasant |
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He wasn't spooky at all. |
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A few days later, |
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...l suggested to the family |
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June was really keen |
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...flat out refused. |
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l think Mathew finally talked |
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Mathew, how did you feel |
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At the time l was actually |
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...sort of curious. |
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l don't think Dad was thrilled |
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...but, yeah, l thought |
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...and l suggested |
| 00:34:31 |
And I recorded this |
| 00:34:34 |
...which is the PC9. |
| 00:34:39 |
l'm getting a strong |
| 00:34:43 |
...in the house. |
| 00:34:48 |
I think we all thought |
| 00:34:51 |
Ray didn't really |
| 00:34:54 |
...like any signs. |
| 00:34:58 |
...we called it quits. |
| 00:35:00 |
lt was not until |
| 00:35:03 |
...that Mathew was |
| 00:35:07 |
...that there was |
| 00:35:10 |
Make your presence |
| 00:35:32 |
The new footage |
| 00:35:34 |
...to the hallway footage. |
| 00:35:37 |
For one, it was significantly |
| 00:35:39 |
...so it was less ambiguous. |
| 00:35:42 |
lt was impossible |
| 00:35:45 |
...as a coincidence |
| 00:35:49 |
...or digital noise. |
| 00:35:52 |
There was something |
| 00:35:57 |
That was beyond doubt. |
| 00:36:02 |
I was concerned. |
| 00:36:04 |
This was pretty unfamiliar |
| 00:36:08 |
...and that was terrifying. |
| 00:36:27 |
Ray got Mathew |
| 00:36:30 |
...three permanent cameras |
| 00:36:32 |
Recording in time lapse |
| 00:36:38 |
There'd been a lot |
| 00:36:42 |
...what he was doing there. |
| 00:36:44 |
When people don't know... |
| 00:36:47 |
...it leads to a lot of talk. |
| 00:36:50 |
l had heard rumors |
| 00:36:53 |
...of video images reporting |
| 00:36:57 |
l was skeptical |
| 00:37:02 |
And your view on Ray? |
| 00:37:04 |
Also very skeptical. |
| 00:37:06 |
l think they had me |
| 00:37:09 |
...mesmerizing the Palmers, |
| 00:37:12 |
...altering the photos |
| 00:37:13 |
Happy birthday to you! |
| 00:37:16 |
Mathew in particular |
| 00:37:18 |
...really struggling. |
| 00:37:20 |
Happy birthday, |
| 00:37:26 |
I thought I might be able |
| 00:37:33 |
That's it. My main |
| 00:37:35 |
Something was happening... |
| 00:37:37 |
...and l wanted to find out |
| 00:38:33 |
What was your reaction |
| 00:38:37 |
We were completely |
| 00:38:41 |
But before we had time |
| 00:38:44 |
...the Withers video |
| 00:38:48 |
-Is it good? |
| 00:38:49 |
-Can I have a look? |
| 00:38:52 |
Cathy and Doug |
| 00:38:54 |
...on April 3rd, |
| 00:38:57 |
...the Bob Smeet |
| 00:38:59 |
-Careful! |
| 00:39:03 |
Be careful. |
| 00:39:06 |
Take my hand, babe. |
| 00:39:11 |
lt was a couple |
| 00:39:13 |
...at the end of July... |
| 00:39:14 |
...when we were looking |
| 00:39:19 |
...that we'd shot at the dam |
| 00:39:23 |
There's a figure |
| 00:39:25 |
...which we identified |
| 00:39:29 |
...which interested us |
| 00:39:33 |
''Oh, it was the same day |
| 00:39:35 |
...when he captured the image |
| 00:39:38 |
Then we went through |
| 00:39:42 |
...to see if we'd captured |
| 00:39:45 |
...and we did. |
| 00:39:46 |
To see if the camera saw |
| 00:39:49 |
We did find a figure |
| 00:39:52 |
...like the image that |
| 00:39:54 |
...in his picture. |
| 00:40:00 |
l got in right |
| 00:40:04 |
...and from what could... |
| 00:40:06 |
...have looked like |
| 00:40:08 |
...from a long way away, |
| 00:40:12 |
...you could see it was |
| 00:40:17 |
It was Mathew. |
| 00:40:21 |
Do you guys believe |
| 00:40:23 |
No. No. |
| 00:40:27 |
This is where I was... |
| 00:40:29 |
...when the Bob Smeet |
| 00:40:31 |
l was wearing Alice's jacket. |
| 00:40:33 |
l looked up and l saw |
| 00:40:36 |
...who turned out |
| 00:40:38 |
...and l didn't want |
| 00:40:43 |
So, l walked off |
| 00:40:46 |
...l didn't see there was |
| 00:40:50 |
...who turned out |
| 00:40:56 |
When this came out, |
| 00:40:59 |
...and asked me |
| 00:41:01 |
...in anything else |
| 00:41:04 |
So, I told him. |
| 00:41:14 |
I told Dad I was responsible |
| 00:41:17 |
...of Alice in the hallway |
| 00:41:20 |
...and that I created |
| 00:41:24 |
...and the séance image. |
| 00:41:26 |
I told him what I'd done. |
| 00:41:29 |
I got two photos. |
| 00:41:31 |
A photo of Alice |
| 00:41:33 |
...and I composited |
| 00:41:36 |
That's a photo |
| 00:41:38 |
Mum kept talking about |
| 00:41:42 |
...and she was keen |
| 00:41:45 |
...of identifying her body. |
| 00:41:47 |
So, l knew that without |
| 00:41:49 |
...it wasn't going to happen. |
| 00:41:57 |
I just used |
| 00:42:01 |
...and I played that |
| 00:42:04 |
I had the T. V. up |
| 00:42:06 |
...it was as simple |
| 00:42:10 |
...so that the reflection |
| 00:42:13 |
The mirror is quite small |
| 00:42:18 |
...and I filmed that. |
| 00:42:20 |
...and the bedroom, |
| 00:42:23 |
...on a television |
| 00:42:35 |
It wasn't about |
| 00:42:39 |
I guess something |
| 00:42:42 |
Do you think what you did |
| 00:42:53 |
l think that... |
| 00:42:56 |
Yeah. Yeah, l probably did |
| 00:43:00 |
...but that wasn't |
| 00:43:05 |
l'm not quite so sure |
| 00:43:11 |
l don't know that l... |
| 00:43:15 |
...totally... |
| 00:43:20 |
l don't want to say l don't |
| 00:43:24 |
...I'm just not convinced |
| 00:43:28 |
...why he did it. |
| 00:43:35 |
When it all came out... |
| 00:43:36 |
...people wanted |
| 00:43:39 |
...women's magazines, |
| 00:43:45 |
We just didn't know |
| 00:43:49 |
We had to protect Matty, |
| 00:43:53 |
...protect Allie's memory. |
| 00:43:54 |
We just didn't have |
| 00:43:57 |
...dealing with this interest |
| 00:44:01 |
...that people are |
| 00:44:04 |
The Palmers weren't |
| 00:44:08 |
Things were very bad. |
| 00:44:13 |
This was like the end |
| 00:44:17 |
...but especially for June. |
| 00:44:20 |
She just really wasn't |
| 00:44:27 |
She needed to hang on |
| 00:44:32 |
...and I don't think |
| 00:44:34 |
...but she was devastated. |
| 00:44:47 |
She's an interesting girl. |
| 00:44:49 |
She seemed to not get on |
| 00:44:53 |
l thought they're quite alike. |
| 00:44:54 |
lt's interesting how the two of |
| 00:45:00 |
They always seemed |
| 00:45:03 |
You could see that Alice |
| 00:45:08 |
Also, things got quite clear |
| 00:45:12 |
...perhaps a sense |
| 00:45:17 |
...they shared. |
| 00:45:19 |
Thanks for that. |
| 00:45:21 |
June was, still is... |
| 00:45:25 |
...keeps to herself a lot... |
| 00:45:27 |
...and it became clear |
| 00:45:33 |
The sense of privacy, |
| 00:45:38 |
...that they'll choose |
| 00:45:47 |
It's wonderful when |
| 00:45:49 |
...and that new expression |
| 00:45:53 |
...but as a mother |
| 00:45:57 |
...that you're not doing |
| 00:46:02 |
I can only blame myself. |
| 00:46:06 |
It came from my mother. |
| 00:46:11 |
I've never been able to... |
| 00:46:15 |
I've never been able |
| 00:46:18 |
...to June. |
| 00:46:23 |
I feel June is |
| 00:46:27 |
...that she couldn't give |
| 00:46:38 |
I hope Alice did know |
| 00:46:42 |
I guess I held something |
| 00:46:48 |
That would be |
| 00:46:50 |
...to think |
| 00:47:00 |
Ray suggested that Mathew |
| 00:47:04 |
...on one of his country |
| 00:47:07 |
He was doing consultations... |
| 00:47:10 |
...and Mathew jumped |
| 00:47:33 |
I think I realized |
| 00:47:37 |
...how much I missed Alice. |
| 00:47:39 |
That I was never going |
| 00:47:44 |
I guess that's something |
| 00:47:47 |
...are coming to terms with. |
| 00:47:49 |
They want to talk to someone |
| 00:47:53 |
And so did I. |
| 00:47:58 |
I was one of Ray's clients |
| 00:48:07 |
-Is the shot at you? |
| 00:48:08 |
-Let's see what happens. |
| 00:48:11 |
It's going to hit me |
| 00:48:14 |
That's what'll happen. |
| 00:48:16 |
Watch yourself. |
| 00:48:18 |
What are you doing |
| 00:48:20 |
I don't know. |
| 00:48:45 |
When me and Ray |
| 00:48:47 |
...we left the two |
| 00:48:49 |
...where they were |
| 00:48:52 |
I was sure there was still |
| 00:48:56 |
Obviously because we were |
| 00:48:59 |
...we couldn't change |
| 00:49:01 |
We were probably |
| 00:49:04 |
...about a day and a half |
| 00:49:06 |
...but we left them running. |
| 00:49:08 |
We got back August 22nd. |
| 00:49:12 |
At which point, |
| 00:49:39 |
Only Russell and I |
| 00:49:41 |
...when these images |
| 00:49:43 |
We couldn't have had |
| 00:49:48 |
They proved there was |
| 00:49:53 |
Alice's ghost. |
| 00:50:02 |
Do you believe in ghosts? |
| 00:50:06 |
Didn't used to. |
| 00:50:10 |
lt's a hard thing to prove |
| 00:50:18 |
l think... |
| 00:50:20 |
Yeah, sometimes l think |
| 00:50:25 |
There are ghosts everywhere. |
| 00:50:30 |
l don't know why |
| 00:50:32 |
...like, how it helps people |
| 00:50:35 |
...by making up stories |
| 00:50:43 |
It's a real question mark |
| 00:50:45 |
I went back and reviewed |
| 00:50:47 |
...that had come before. |
| 00:50:49 |
All the material taken |
| 00:50:51 |
...following Alice's death. |
| 00:50:59 |
It was while I watched |
| 00:51:01 |
...hallway material again, |
| 00:51:07 |
There was a second figure, |
| 00:51:10 |
...but someone else, |
| 00:51:12 |
...in Alice's room. |
| 00:51:15 |
At first I thought |
| 00:51:18 |
...then I realized |
| 00:51:22 |
Brett Toohey. |
| 00:51:31 |
What was this man |
| 00:51:33 |
...in my daughter's room, |
| 00:51:44 |
When I found Alice's safe... |
| 00:51:45 |
...I realized exactly why |
| 00:51:52 |
He was looking for the tape. |
| 00:51:57 |
That's it. |
| 00:52:29 |
-Did you smoke? |
| 00:52:31 |
Getting nice and cozy |
| 00:52:33 |
Alice began babysitting |
| 00:52:37 |
...and she continued for |
| 00:52:40 |
The Tooheys boys |
| 00:52:46 |
I literally could just |
| 00:52:55 |
It just made me feel |
| 00:53:03 |
As far as I'm concerned... |
| 00:53:05 |
...the Tooheys were |
| 00:53:08 |
I believe if it hadn't |
| 00:53:10 |
...she would've reached |
| 00:53:12 |
Wouldn't |
| 00:53:13 |
She wouldn't have felt |
| 00:53:17 |
She wouldn't |
| 00:53:22 |
How do you feel |
| 00:53:26 |
lf he was around the corner |
| 00:53:30 |
He seemed like a nice guy. |
| 00:53:35 |
We'd speak. |
| 00:53:39 |
He had a pool |
| 00:53:42 |
We used to swim there |
| 00:53:44 |
Yeah, in summer. |
| 00:53:45 |
You could go to his place |
| 00:53:49 |
I was really bewildered |
| 00:53:53 |
It took a lot to believe it. |
| 00:53:55 |
l had no idea |
| 00:53:58 |
Be with somebody. |
| 00:54:00 |
A complete surprise. |
| 00:54:01 |
We never thought |
| 00:54:09 |
Why do you think |
| 00:54:14 |
She didn't want them |
| 00:54:16 |
Why is that? |
| 00:54:17 |
Didn't trust them |
| 00:54:21 |
He must've been really |
| 00:54:25 |
From the moment |
| 00:54:27 |
...of Alice's death, |
| 00:54:29 |
...in constant fear |
| 00:54:36 |
l'm glad he couldn't find it. |
| 00:54:38 |
l'm glad he knows |
| 00:54:43 |
Had a lot of dealings with the |
| 00:54:46 |
...as part of the investigating |
| 00:54:49 |
...Brett and Marissa Toohey. |
| 00:54:52 |
Initially, |
| 00:54:55 |
...that they would be found |
| 00:54:59 |
...but unfortunately, |
| 00:55:03 |
...so investigation stalled. |
| 00:55:06 |
The police advised us... |
| 00:55:08 |
...that even if |
| 00:55:10 |
...they'd get off on |
| 00:55:12 |
...by claiming the sex |
| 00:55:14 |
A claim supported |
| 00:55:19 |
Did you know about Alice's |
| 00:55:22 |
No. No one did. |
| 00:55:26 |
Obviously l didn't. |
| 00:55:29 |
We wouldn't have gone out |
| 00:55:33 |
l thought we were |
| 00:55:48 |
It left so many |
| 00:55:52 |
Why was she involved |
| 00:55:54 |
When did |
| 00:55:57 |
Was he in love with her?. |
| 00:56:01 |
I just don't know. |
| 00:56:06 |
The Tooheys sold |
| 00:56:08 |
...six months |
| 00:56:20 |
Alice kept secrets. |
| 00:56:22 |
She kept the fact |
| 00:56:28 |
lt does change the way |
| 00:56:30 |
...when you realize they did |
| 00:56:35 |
I think I knew one Alice, |
| 00:56:40 |
...and there was another one |
| 00:56:57 |
I found Ray's business card |
| 00:57:01 |
...on the page |
| 00:57:09 |
Why'd you come |
| 00:57:11 |
Can you interpret dreams? |
| 00:57:14 |
Sometimes. |
| 00:57:16 |
How do you feel when |
| 00:57:23 |
They scare me a bit. |
| 00:57:25 |
Alice came to see me |
| 00:57:29 |
She called me on the radio |
| 00:57:31 |
...and then we made |
| 00:57:33 |
Take a deep breath, |
| 00:57:35 |
Imagine you're standing |
| 00:57:38 |
Tell me what you see. |
| 00:57:48 |
-Okay? |
| 00:57:52 |
I want you to go inside |
| 00:57:55 |
Go into the house. |
| 00:57:58 |
...where you are. |
| 00:57:59 |
Ray, why didn't you tell June |
| 00:58:04 |
It was not a case |
| 00:58:06 |
I was honoring Alice's |
| 00:58:11 |
...but it was damned if you do, |
| 00:58:14 |
The living room |
| 00:58:18 |
Then you go to the right... |
| 00:58:20 |
...and my room is in |
| 00:58:23 |
...as you go |
| 00:58:26 |
Do you see anything |
| 00:58:32 |
No. |
| 00:58:34 |
No, we didn't feel |
| 00:58:37 |
...for whatever reasons |
| 00:58:39 |
...of keeping that |
| 00:58:42 |
lt still felt like a betrayal. |
| 00:58:49 |
I wanted to help June |
| 00:58:51 |
I think they wanted me |
| 00:58:53 |
I wouldn't have been able |
| 00:58:57 |
There was a bit of resentment. |
| 00:58:59 |
Mathew wouldn't |
| 00:59:02 |
What l think hurt them |
| 00:59:04 |
...was what they saw |
| 00:59:06 |
...to see Alice's |
| 00:59:10 |
Looking back, |
| 00:59:12 |
...that someone would be |
| 00:59:20 |
I think he needed us |
| 00:59:35 |
Alice came to see me |
| 00:59:39 |
She was a very |
| 00:59:44 |
''I had a dream last night. |
| 00:59:45 |
I was cold and wet. |
| 00:59:48 |
...like I'd been drugged. |
| 00:59:50 |
When I woke up, |
| 00:59:54 |
I was feeling sick |
| 00:59:57 |
...and I was starting |
| 01:00:01 |
I needed to see Mum, |
| 01:00:05 |
I stumbled to her room |
| 01:00:08 |
...over the bed |
| 01:00:10 |
...I was overcome |
| 01:00:14 |
Then the sadness turned |
| 01:00:16 |
l just stood there |
| 01:00:18 |
...and l saw there's nothing |
| 01:00:23 |
l'd never felt |
| 01:00:26 |
Everything felt wrong. |
| 01:00:31 |
...the way things looked, |
| 01:00:34 |
...there was something |
| 01:00:38 |
I started to cry, |
| 01:01:12 |
Lake Mungo is in Southwestern, |
| 01:01:15 |
...and that was the location |
| 01:01:18 |
...that Alice went on from |
| 01:01:26 |
When she came home... |
| 01:01:27 |
...she said she'd had |
| 01:01:29 |
I particularly remember it. |
| 01:01:31 |
She came home without |
| 01:01:34 |
...which we'd bought her |
| 01:01:37 |
...and her favorite |
| 01:01:42 |
Other than that, |
| 01:01:44 |
...she didn't really talk |
| 01:01:48 |
Wait up, guys! |
| 01:01:57 |
Kate didn't show me |
| 01:01:59 |
...she got back from camp |
| 01:02:02 |
Why did you decide |
| 01:02:06 |
lf we didn't tell June... |
| 01:02:08 |
...it'd be like we were |
| 01:02:10 |
So, l don't know why. |
| 01:02:14 |
l don't know why but... |
| 01:02:17 |
...why not? |
| 01:02:24 |
Jason told us about |
| 01:02:26 |
...that the girls had |
| 01:02:36 |
The girls were looking |
| 01:02:40 |
...but she looked |
| 01:02:43 |
I was worried. |
| 01:02:44 |
l was convinced that something |
| 01:02:55 |
Kate's phone footage |
| 01:02:58 |
...once the girls had |
| 01:03:00 |
Anytime. Anywhere. |
| 01:03:04 |
It's like Africa. |
| 01:03:09 |
There was an image |
| 01:03:11 |
...very hard to decipher |
| 01:03:14 |
...kneeling under a tree. |
| 01:03:17 |
It was only after viewing |
| 01:03:20 |
...that we realized |
| 01:03:22 |
She was burying something. |
| 01:03:28 |
Did you know what |
| 01:03:30 |
...that night with Alice? |
| 01:03:32 |
No. |
| 01:03:34 |
l knew she'd lost her phone. |
| 01:03:37 |
l knew she was upset... |
| 01:03:40 |
...because that was |
| 01:03:42 |
...but l didn't know |
| 01:03:45 |
She didn't say that |
| 01:03:47 |
...she didn't really say |
| 01:03:50 |
I didn't really take it |
| 01:03:54 |
lt was like context. |
| 01:03:55 |
We were just having |
| 01:03:57 |
...and l just thought |
| 01:04:11 |
It started simply enough. |
| 01:04:16 |
...and started walking off |
| 01:04:21 |
...but it was obviously, |
| 01:04:26 |
We wanted to try |
| 01:04:45 |
We understood |
| 01:04:47 |
...that she had |
| 01:04:49 |
We had no idea |
| 01:04:51 |
...because of what |
| 01:04:57 |
We didn't really wanna |
| 01:04:59 |
...because we didn't want |
| 01:05:02 |
...where tourists were. |
| 01:05:07 |
We decided to go at night. |
| 01:05:25 |
June and I started digging |
| 01:05:31 |
...June said she'd found |
| 01:05:33 |
...and pulled out |
| 01:05:35 |
Inside the plastic bag |
| 01:05:38 |
...Allie's favorite necklace, |
| 01:05:41 |
...her mobile phone. |
| 01:05:44 |
Her most precious things... |
| 01:05:47 |
...buried out here |
| 01:05:50 |
We didn't know |
| 01:05:53 |
We knew from the video |
| 01:05:56 |
...but we didn't know |
| 01:06:00 |
lt was low on battery. |
| 01:06:21 |
You scared of dying? |
| 01:06:24 |
Yeah, of course |
| 01:06:26 |
Isn't everyone |
| 01:06:34 |
Would you like to tell me |
| 01:06:40 |
I feel like something bad |
| 01:06:45 |
I feel like something bad |
| 01:06:48 |
It hasn't reached me yet |
| 01:06:54 |
And it's getting closer... |
| 01:06:57 |
...and I don't feel ready. |
| 01:06:59 |
I feel like |
| 01:07:15 |
At some point, |
| 01:07:20 |
...from out of the darkness. |
| 01:07:22 |
I recognized the face |
| 01:07:25 |
...on the phone video. |
| 01:07:27 |
...of the body I had |
| 01:07:31 |
It was Allie's body. |
| 01:07:42 |
There's absolutely |
| 01:07:47 |
...for what she saw |
| 01:08:28 |
Oh, my God! |
| 01:08:47 |
I'm convinced Alice knew |
| 01:08:53 |
I'm convinced of that. |
| 01:08:57 |
I think the figure |
| 01:08:59 |
...was an omen for her. |
| 01:09:01 |
The burial of her possessions |
| 01:09:06 |
...it was a ritual. |
| 01:09:11 |
I was never convinced |
| 01:09:15 |
She had morbid thoughts, |
| 01:09:19 |
She had nightmares |
| 01:09:22 |
...enough to consult Ray. |
| 01:09:27 |
l don't know that anybody |
| 01:09:30 |
...that they're going to die. |
| 01:09:34 |
What about the image |
| 01:09:36 |
How do you think Alice |
| 01:09:39 |
How could she have |
| 01:09:47 |
l think Allie saw a ghost... |
| 01:09:51 |
...but she wasn't to know |
| 01:09:54 |
l believe she recorded |
| 01:09:56 |
l believe she recorded |
| 01:10:17 |
We found out |
| 01:10:20 |
...Ray and what had |
| 01:10:24 |
...and by the time |
| 01:10:28 |
...the house felt different. |
| 01:10:30 |
lt was calm. |
| 01:10:43 |
I think Alice... |
| 01:10:46 |
...wanted us to know |
| 01:10:48 |
She wanted us to know |
| 01:10:54 |
...before she, you know, |
| 01:11:05 |
In the weeks and months |
| 01:11:07 |
...we started to feel |
| 01:11:12 |
It just crept up |
| 01:11:14 |
...we were a bit wobbly... |
| 01:11:18 |
...but a family all the same. |
| 01:11:28 |
-Hello there. |
| 01:11:30 |
You too. Come in. |
| 01:11:31 |
Ray called out |
| 01:11:33 |
...and said he'd be |
| 01:11:35 |
...and asked if it was |
| 01:11:40 |
Six months had gone by |
| 01:11:44 |
...under the circumstances, |
| 01:11:53 |
I think we all felt |
| 01:11:56 |
In a way, |
| 01:12:00 |
For each of us |
| 01:12:04 |
We made our own peace. |
| 01:12:12 |
It seemed strange to me... |
| 01:12:14 |
...that Allie should |
| 01:12:17 |
...and we didn't help her, |
| 01:12:22 |
...I think we collectively made |
| 01:12:30 |
Moving was a big part of it. |
| 01:12:53 |
It will be difficult |
| 01:12:57 |
Sometimes, you know, |
| 01:13:01 |
...she's not coming back. |
| 01:13:06 |
l forget. |
| 01:13:37 |
Okay, close your eyes. |
| 01:13:42 |
Imagine that you're standing |
| 01:13:47 |
Can you see it? |
| 01:13:52 |
Go inside the house. |
| 01:13:57 |
I'm going through |
| 01:14:05 |
I'm walking down the hall |
| 01:14:14 |
Someone's there. |
| 01:14:17 |
I think someone's coming |
| 01:14:19 |
The door is open. |
| 01:14:23 |
Do you know who it is? |
| 01:14:36 |
Do you wanna go inside? |
| 01:14:39 |
Yeah. |
| 01:14:42 |
Okay. |
| 01:14:54 |
What do you see? |
| 01:14:56 |
It's my mum. |
| 01:14:59 |
What's she saying? |
| 01:15:01 |
She's not saying anything. |
| 01:15:10 |
l don't think she knows |
| 01:15:16 |
Alice isn't here. |
| 01:15:20 |
She's not here. |
| 01:15:23 |
What's happening, Alice? |
| 01:15:26 |
You talking to her? |
| 01:15:28 |
No, she's going now. |
| 01:15:32 |
She's leaving the room. |
| 01:15:36 |
She's gone. |
| 01:15:38 |
Open your eyes. |
| 01:16:32 |
She's going now. |
| 01:16:36 |
She's leaving the room. |
| 01:17:06 |
She's gone. |
| 01:17:48 |
Happy birthday to you. |
| 01:17:52 |
Happy birthday, |
