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The use that Biagi... |
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..the other guy ? |
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Santoro... okay, but the other one ? |
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..and Luttazzi |
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paid for with public money, |
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Right, l work |
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not for you, Berlusconi. |
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l've been inviting Berlusconi |
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but he won't come. |
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l've even written letters |
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lt's a pity, because my first question |
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l'd ask him: ''Berlusconi, |
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Because no one knows. |
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But luckily, |
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it's called ''The Scent of Money'' |
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Tonight's guest is the author, |
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Marco Travaglio. |
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l think the new administration |
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has the duty of |
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After the Travaglio interview, |
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one by Silvio Berlusconi |
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one by his party, |
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and his two corporations, Fininvest, |
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A total of 41 billion. |
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l've been trying to go back |
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l've done everything |
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l've been through every court in ltaly |
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A magistrate has requested |
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that l be reinstated in my job. |
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l haven't heard from anyone since. |
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Mr. Saccà sent the letter |
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with advice of delivery, |
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which is the thing |
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l was fired |
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by advice of delivery ! |
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So l wouldn't be able to say |
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To make sure |
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- l, on behalf of my electors... |
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Yes, our coalition, |
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We believe it's a matter of freedom |
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to not have to hear |
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or Berlusconi to Mussolini, |
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Biagi did a show |
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so l can tell you |
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Berlusconi to Mussolini. |
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That cannot happen, |
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Why can't it happen ? |
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Why can't someone compare |
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Why can't someone compare... |
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at 8:30 p.m. or 12:30 p.m., |
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Berlusconi to Mussolini ? |
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ls Kerry's defeat and Bush's victory |
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God willing... |
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ln ltaly, the production of |
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even in Lazio. |
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Oven-baked pasta, |
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From starter to dessert: |
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The Virgin Mary crying blood |
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When did your daughter |
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- The 2nd of February. |
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You mean the tears ? |
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No, |
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the vision of |
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No, because... |
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..it goes along with |
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ls it serious ? What does it mean ? |
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lt means that... |
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..there's no real opposition... |
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l don't mean |
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l mean daily life, |
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the freedom of the people. |
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This has been said |
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As in all of human behaviour, |
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A law like that |
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He'd just lost |
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and his coalition was saying |
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and they wanted |
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At that stage, |
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to attack him |
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would have been a risk... |
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not worth running. |
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lt was a mistake. |
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l'm especially pleased |
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lt explores satire with intelligence |
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The writing skill |
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We went into this little room |
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and he asked me |
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And then he said: |
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l thought it was a joke. |
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He said that the political climate... |
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probably wasn't appropriate... |
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it wasn't right, it was too risky... |
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l was extremely perplexed. |
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Ladies and gentlemen, good evening ! |
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You know that ltaly |
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for freedom of information. |
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53rd out of 166 countries. |
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Has anyone mentioned that on TV ? |
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Was it on the news ? |
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lf it had been, |
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Minister Gasparri, |
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legitimises the existing monopolies |
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lt's beneficial |
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That's paranoia. |
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There was always someone at school |
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and said |
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People always find controversy. |
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l must not have explained myself... |
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Many people criticize your ''SlC'', |
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Let's use Coca-Cola as an example. |
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Coca-Cola has a dominant position |
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So does orange soda. |
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Orange soda |
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To stop Coca-Cola |
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l extend the definition ''drink'' |
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like whiskey, river water, |
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Then l say: |
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Coca-Cola is no longer |
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But that's a trick. |
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But it's also a shame. |
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l don't want river |
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Coke is good as it is. |
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A message to all channels. |
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While travelling and meeting |
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many other important people |
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l've been told that in ltaly, |
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mass media |
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l want you to know, |
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RaiOT SHUT DOWN, lT'S WAR |
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SABlNA HAS BEEN CANCELLED |
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Why didn't you say you can't cancel |
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But we also had to find a way... |
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You would have been cancelled... |
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- Why ? |
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But there's no legal basis ! |
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You made me look cross-eyed, |
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Your opinion of me |
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So, l haven't made myself clear ! |
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As president of RAl |
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no more satire |
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l'm president and l was chosen |
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l don't count for anything |
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We need fences, |
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l studied a long time in America and |
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there's a professional who establishes |
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Sadly, in ltaly, |
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But we can do it. |
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One's freedom ends where |
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There are about five billion others. |
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With one fence per person, |
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lf you can't establish them, it means |
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to work in a public office. |
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The American language has a lovely |
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As far as ''RAlot'' is concerned, |
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there was no censorship |
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What we saw on RAl 3 |
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was a long series of insults |
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to the majority |
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and the companies he's set up. |
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Therefore, it's RAl's duty |
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from the legal consequences |
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Guzzanti was wrong |
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to stage a political rally |
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for which she was paid. |
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She's an actress. |
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Guzzanti should be satisfied |
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lf she wants to change jobs |
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there's plenty of room. |
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And l must say that the average |
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that she would undoubtedly |
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Maybe that should be |
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Too late. |
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He could go with his commission |
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to the ltalian President, Ciampi, |
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and say ''A law has been broken. |
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That's not true. |
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Many things happened with ''RAlot''. |
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We intervened |
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and forced the executives |
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to publicly deal with the problem. |
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The problem is much more general. |
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l would call it a misinterpretation |
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News isn't meant |
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but by reporters. |
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And if reporters fail to do it |
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we can't just put comedians |
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That's the problem we have to face |
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if we want to work out this matter. |
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l was told: |
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''There's a difference between satire |
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People often get confused |
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between what satire is |
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and simply |
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Making fun of someone |
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For example, someone tripping, |
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messing up words, |
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someone grabbing a girl's bum, |
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What isn't satire, is making fun.'' |
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What's the criteria for saying |
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You can't just say it's insulting. |
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Well, it has to be funny. |
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- lt was very funny. |
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- Satire can be bitter too. |
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lt did. |
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At least include something humorous ! |
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- lt was ! |
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But what's your point ? |
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News reporters |
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Satirists must accept |
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What are these ''rules of satire'' ? |
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lt's not a matter of rules, |
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Why are you talking about rules ? |
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Dario Fo says it's satire, |
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satirists and professors |
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Satire without information |
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You can't have political satire |
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Aristophanes incorporated |
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And they were called ''parabases''. |
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The best of the chorus |
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and he'd step away from the chorus, |
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get in the front row |
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and say: ''l now talk to the city''. |
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He'd say anything he wanted |
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Satire must touch the tragic |
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lt has to be about politics. |
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All important plays |
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are full of situations |
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Yet l've been prevented from doing it |
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l was told to act |
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Don't bother meddling in... |
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''Let politicians do politics, |
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l started doing TV sketches |
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on a popular French TV show |
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called ''Nul Par Ailleurs''. |
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l did political sketches, |
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not journalism. |
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Seven or eight years later, |
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l got tired of just sketches. |
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Since it was pure entertainment, |
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the public didn't get the reasons |
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the real meaning of my work. |
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So l talked to the programmers |
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and suggested a news programme |
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that would provide the news |
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through reporting as well as sketches. |
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ln one of these sketches, |
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we killed President Chirac. |
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lt was a parody |
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of Tarantino's film ''Pulp Fiction''. |
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We called it ''Peuple Fiction'', |
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The people wanted to know |
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what happened to Chirac's promises. |
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See ? lt went off by itself. |
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Why have you screwed with us ? |
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Why have you fucked over your people ? |
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Look... |
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Have you read the ''Bible'' ? |
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''l will fight social injustice |
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so our nation shall prosper. |
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lf l fail, the sovereign people... |
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..shall inflict their punishment !'' |
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Yes, l said that. |
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''France For All'', Page 3, Line 14. |
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The skill lies |
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lf you say: ''You can go this far, |
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that's negotiating |
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but then it's not satire anymore. |
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Satire might upset you |
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it might be controversial, |
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but it relies on the maturity |
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and the intellectual capacity |
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The most popular shows |
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are the satirical ones |
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and that's the case throughout Europe. |
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Politics are looked down on so much |
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that satire works great. |
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There's one show |
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in a very harsh way. |
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His character is ridiculous |
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A populist, |
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This goes on in France |
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When democracy is afraid |
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fears criticism |
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and fears being laughed at, |
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it is that democracy |
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A democracy that's strong |
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fair and honest, |
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isn't afraid of being laughed at. |
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lt says: ''You're right, l messed up.'' |
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One man has |
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ls that right ? |
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Can you talk about it or not ? |
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Not according to Berlusconi. |
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According to the Left, you can, |
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but comedians can't. |
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So who's going to talk about it ? |
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No one. |
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All that matters is |
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People mock power in France, |
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But that's non-existent in ltaly. |
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ln ltaly the main trend |
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of the press |
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is to fear the powerful, |
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and to show reverence |
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left or right-winged, |
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You said no more satire |
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l said satire is okay |
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because freedom of opinion is allowed. |
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As long as it's performed with taste. |
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Every week we enjoy watching |
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yours as well as other |
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There's only one problem. |
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lt's too polite, not harsh enough |
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l expected Santoro, Biagi, Luttazzi |
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would result in a revolt |
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lnterventions, |
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But none of that happened. |
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Maybe since at first... |
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no ''phone calls'' are being made, |
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it looks like everyone... |
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is against censorship. |
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But the people up high |
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to make a few phone calls |
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as long as it's all done |
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lt's always that way... |
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and then |
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The diversionary tactic this time was: |
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LET'S NOT SAY CENSORSHlP |
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''lt's not humour, it's journalism.'' |
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Then controversy grows |
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and the facts get altered. |
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lt's easier to see now |
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as you look back at the series |
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We should have considered |
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instead of focussing on one aspect |
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When the press feels that |
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a certain thing |
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they end up letting it go, |
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they react positively at first, |
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DELUSlONS OF GRANDEUR |
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lDEOLOGlCAL KlLLlNG |
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PUBLlC LlTTERER |
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TAKE YOUR PAYCHECK |
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MADWOMAN |
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MARTYR JACK-OFF SESSlONS |
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CRAP |
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The point is this... |
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l'm against mixing news and satire, |
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actually l'm against... |
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substituting one for the other |
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due to the particular abnormality |
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You can't say that |
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comedians can broadcast the news. |
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l'm not saying that the problem |
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or Sabina Guzzanti, |
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l'm saying that RAlot |
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But they cancelled it anyway. |
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You said it wasn't censorship |
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That's what amazes me. |
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Not the right to cancel it, |
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The problem is that |
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monopolies cannot exist. |
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No one is allowed to control |
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such a large amount of mass media |
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or advertising resources. |
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Then how did Berlusconi |
| 00:35:24 |
His political connections and |
| 00:35:32 |
Because of |
| 00:35:34 |
Berlusconi enjoyed |
| 00:35:38 |
and the market went crazy. |
| 00:35:41 |
He bought ''Thorn Birds'' |
| 00:35:45 |
and no one said a word. |
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And his membership |
| 00:35:50 |
was a great advantage to Berlusconi |
| 00:35:53 |
because a lot of men in key positions |
| 00:35:58 |
belonged |
| 00:36:03 |
Even Tax Police generals |
| 00:36:07 |
the ones who were supposed |
| 00:36:11 |
Not all of them, obviously, |
| 00:36:16 |
This brief introduction |
| 00:36:20 |
''How could Silvio Berlusconi |
| 00:36:25 |
but be so untalented |
| 00:36:29 |
The answer is that |
| 00:36:35 |
lt has little to do |
| 00:36:38 |
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| 00:36:42 |
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| 00:36:44 |
lf what was said were true ? |
| 00:36:48 |
lmplicitly... what... |
| 00:36:53 |
can we deduce from that ? |
| 00:36:56 |
That our parliament |
| 00:37:01 |
What can we deduce from this ? |
| 00:37:04 |
That our prime minister |
| 00:37:08 |
for personal wealth ? |
| 00:37:17 |
lf these horrible things |
| 00:37:22 |
then our leaders who allow |
| 00:37:27 |
what kind of leaders are they ? |
| 00:37:29 |
Leaders who |
| 00:37:40 |
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| 00:37:44 |
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| 00:37:46 |
Good morning, can we interview you ? |
| 00:37:49 |
lf you'd asked me 5 minutes ago... |
| 00:37:52 |
- 3 minutes ? |
| 00:37:55 |
Good morning, |
| 00:37:58 |
We're conducting an inquiry |
| 00:38:01 |
- We wanted your opinion. |
| 00:38:03 |
So you can't say |
| 00:38:06 |
- ..to justify your actions. |
| 00:38:09 |
Excuse me, can we ask you |
| 00:38:16 |
Seeing as the show was cancelled |
| 00:38:20 |
and that the case was dismissed, |
| 00:38:23 |
do you think |
| 00:38:26 |
Do you realise that you've violated |
| 00:38:30 |
that says everyone has |
| 00:38:32 |
and that you made up an excuse |
| 00:38:37 |
Your position is very interesting. |
| 00:38:40 |
l'm not sure whether |
| 00:38:43 |
but there must be something. |
| 00:38:46 |
lf it got cancelled, |
| 00:38:50 |
What ? |
| 00:38:51 |
l think it was just an excuse. |
| 00:38:55 |
- The Mediaset lawsuit... |
| 00:38:58 |
The executives and Board |
| 00:39:03 |
and found the show damaging |
| 00:39:09 |
- That's why it was closed. |
| 00:39:14 |
People should evaluate |
| 00:39:17 |
Or l could just sue any programme |
| 00:39:22 |
There were even some papers, |
| 00:39:28 |
that emphasized: |
| 00:39:31 |
''RAl must defend itself |
| 00:39:36 |
They wanted billions, |
| 00:39:40 |
''Let's wait and let |
| 00:39:45 |
- l read that. |
| 00:39:48 |
lt's outrageous |
| 00:39:51 |
because you should |
| 00:39:54 |
not probabilities. |
| 00:39:56 |
Otherwise |
| 00:40:00 |
would halt all forms of expression. |
| 00:40:03 |
lf you make comments on things |
| 00:40:07 |
but they don't want you |
| 00:40:09 |
they sue you for billions. |
| 00:40:12 |
Therefore you can never |
| 00:40:14 |
and you're dragged into a long case |
| 00:40:19 |
One can conclude then |
| 00:40:22 |
they're admitting that corporations |
| 00:40:50 |
- Have you been sued ? |
| 00:40:52 |
lt was just to scare me or... |
| 00:40:55 |
they would have sued the paper too. |
| 00:40:58 |
But it doesn't explain |
| 00:41:00 |
why one person was picked on |
| 00:41:05 |
Usually the case is made |
| 00:41:09 |
but they only sued me |
| 00:41:12 |
which l can deal with in my work. |
| 00:41:15 |
- You're used to it ? |
| 00:41:17 |
Agnes wanted 10 million euros... |
| 00:41:21 |
- 29. |
| 00:41:25 |
Yes, because of the pay number issue. |
| 00:41:28 |
And Telecom wanted billions. |
| 00:41:31 |
This time |
| 00:41:34 |
Cut it down just a little |
| 00:41:37 |
gladly... |
| 00:41:39 |
since l can afford to do it |
| 00:41:44 |
At least l write about |
| 00:41:50 |
- So it's our fault ? |
| 00:41:56 |
You're avoiding the responsibility. |
| 00:41:58 |
So we have to join Alex Zanotelli, |
| 00:42:03 |
because they're the only ones |
| 00:42:10 |
There's no point in writing for |
| 00:42:14 |
lt's happened at least 10 times, |
| 00:42:17 |
They send you out on a job, |
| 00:42:21 |
You take notes and they only publish |
| 00:42:25 |
- Maybe. |
| 00:42:28 |
Who said l don't ? But... |
| 00:42:32 |
You should rebel ! |
| 00:42:35 |
|
| 00:42:37 |
|
| 00:42:40 |
|
| 00:42:44 |
The surprise. |
| 00:42:48 |
Good evening. |
| 00:42:51 |
Can we hear a duet |
| 00:42:54 |
Let's do a world premiere, |
| 00:42:56 |
something never done before |
| 00:43:00 |
Did you write the lyrics ? |
| 00:43:02 |
This song |
| 00:43:05 |
Let's put the mike here, |
| 00:43:08 |
Move the mike away, |
| 00:43:13 |
l just can't describe |
| 00:43:17 |
My paper asked me |
| 00:43:21 |
on TV programmes |
| 00:43:25 |
l just can't describe |
| 00:43:29 |
to the French public. |
| 00:43:31 |
There's no equivalent. |
| 00:43:33 |
There is no single figure |
| 00:43:39 |
so much real power... |
| 00:43:44 |
That doesn't exist so l've never |
| 00:43:48 |
For me, TV journalism doesn't mean |
| 00:43:50 |
talking about cheese |
| 00:43:52 |
or giving the microphone |
| 00:43:55 |
to whoever's in power at the moment. |
| 00:43:57 |
Journalism is independent, |
| 00:44:00 |
And, above all, |
| 00:44:05 |
A politician from the Left |
| 00:44:09 |
but the second question is crucial |
| 00:44:13 |
lt exposes him ! |
| 00:44:40 |
ltalian journalists today |
| 00:44:44 |
but they often |
| 00:44:48 |
lt's sad to say, |
| 00:44:53 |
of not getting to the bottom of things |
| 00:44:58 |
and not making a decision... |
| 00:45:00 |
makes journalism in ltaly |
| 00:45:04 |
as despicable a profession |
| 00:45:08 |
Hello, Minister. |
| 00:45:10 |
Can we talk for a minute ? |
| 00:45:12 |
lt's the one year anniversary |
| 00:45:16 |
The judge threw the case out |
| 00:45:21 |
so why can't we go back on the air ? |
| 00:45:23 |
The show being suspended |
| 00:45:27 |
l think you said questionable things |
| 00:45:30 |
but there was no |
| 00:45:32 |
lt was satire, that isn't required. |
| 00:45:35 |
This is a serious matter. |
| 00:45:37 |
Satire is one thing, |
| 00:45:40 |
And that was satire. |
| 00:45:43 |
- lt's like that in every country. |
| 00:45:45 |
You mentioned this law without |
| 00:45:48 |
That was your choice, |
| 00:45:52 |
A law the President did not sign ! |
| 00:45:54 |
lt was approved by parliament |
| 00:45:57 |
The law l mentioned |
| 00:46:00 |
- ..and wasn't signed. |
| 00:46:04 |
Turn off the cameras... |
| 00:46:06 |
Okay, it's true. |
| 00:46:08 |
l didn't write or even read my law. |
| 00:46:10 |
l just can't ! |
| 00:46:12 |
l start reading it at night |
| 00:46:16 |
- You pass out. |
| 00:46:19 |
lt's crazy ! |
| 00:46:21 |
- Can you do me a favour ? |
| 00:46:24 |
Could you write a summary, |
| 00:46:28 |
Just like twenty pages |
| 00:46:33 |
And while you're at it... |
| 00:46:35 |
since some of your questions |
| 00:46:40 |
write down some hard questions |
| 00:46:44 |
Like: ''People say someone |
| 00:46:49 |
Exactly... |
| 00:46:51 |
- lt would put you on the spot ? |
| 00:46:55 |
l'd have to say: |
| 00:46:59 |
People don't want to hear |
| 00:47:02 |
insults and gratuitous spite. |
| 00:47:04 |
But viewing figures were high, |
| 00:47:07 |
people liked it. |
| 00:47:08 |
People don't want to hear... |
| 00:47:13 |
The camera's not on me anymore, so... |
| 00:47:16 |
- Here it is. |
| 00:47:18 |
The public doesn't want to hear... |
| 00:47:21 |
But people do, |
| 00:47:23 |
Satire can't be insulting. |
| 00:47:27 |
People want that, you can't deny it. |
| 00:47:31 |
The public liked it. |
| 00:47:33 |
No, l don't think people want to see |
| 00:47:38 |
Have you asked the public ? |
| 00:47:42 |
Thousands of people. |
| 00:47:45 |
Look, l'm a colleague |
| 00:47:49 |
and he's from the Centre-Right. |
| 00:47:52 |
You asked to cancel it, |
| 00:47:56 |
l discussed it with your father, |
| 00:48:01 |
l'm an adult, |
| 00:48:04 |
No, but since he's a senator... |
| 00:48:08 |
one might want to consult him too. |
| 00:48:11 |
- What's your point ? |
| 00:48:14 |
we all represent our electorate. |
| 00:48:18 |
The electorate didn't elect you |
| 00:48:21 |
and to monopolize the media. |
| 00:48:23 |
- They wouldn't have voted for you. |
| 00:48:26 |
But that's what you've done. |
| 00:48:28 |
Santoro, Biagi, Luttazzi, |
| 00:48:30 |
anyone who has a different opinion |
| 00:48:33 |
Those who can't express themselves |
| 00:48:36 |
are in parliament or somewhere else |
| 00:48:38 |
saying what |
| 00:48:42 |
Why is there no point ? Who says |
| 00:48:47 |
Lilli Gruber, Santoro |
| 00:48:51 |
all use TV as a means |
| 00:48:55 |
l was politically active |
| 00:48:59 |
so you can do the same. |
| 00:49:01 |
But l'm not active in a party, |
| 00:49:04 |
l'm fighting for people to know |
| 00:49:08 |
l'm fighting so people |
| 00:49:12 |
l want to exercise |
| 00:49:16 |
People have a right to express |
| 00:49:20 |
And l want to exercise |
| 00:49:23 |
You don't criticize, |
| 00:49:25 |
..that l don't agree with |
| 00:49:29 |
That isn't satire, |
| 00:49:33 |
- Name one vulgar thing. |
| 00:49:35 |
l won't forget it. |
| 00:49:39 |
Can you guarantee that everything |
| 00:49:43 |
lf you say something interesting. |
| 00:49:47 |
We haven't finished. |
| 00:49:51 |
Haven't you found anything |
| 00:49:54 |
Goodbye and good luck. |
| 00:49:56 |
Good luck to all us ltalians |
| 00:50:00 |
See you when you get your show back |
| 00:50:03 |
How will l get it back |
| 00:50:08 |
As soon as possible, |
| 00:50:11 |
But you cancelled my show, |
| 00:50:15 |
You cancelled the show. |
| 00:50:22 |
lt didn't work out for you ! |
| 00:50:24 |
lt wasn't a coming into office, |
| 00:50:28 |
l always wrote in my editorials |
| 00:50:32 |
that in this sense, |
| 00:50:34 |
their concept is revolutionary. |
| 00:50:36 |
Technically. |
| 00:50:38 |
Revolutionary in the ''Thatcherist'' |
| 00:50:42 |
Or even more... |
| 00:50:47 |
This man is the prime minister |
| 00:50:50 |
lt's all mine: |
| 00:50:52 |
l pass the laws l want, everything... |
| 00:50:56 |
Of course l am a fascist. |
| 00:50:59 |
So what ? Fascism is good ! |
| 00:51:02 |
Fuck everyone ! |
| 00:51:03 |
Such a catastrophe |
| 00:51:08 |
We had the habit in our house |
| 00:51:10 |
to bind the newspapers |
| 00:51:18 |
When l was little |
| 00:51:23 |
and get these big books |
| 00:51:29 |
l used to wonder |
| 00:51:34 |
At first there were so many people |
| 00:51:40 |
and even joined the Resistance, |
| 00:51:43 |
They'd say very weak things like: |
| 00:51:47 |
''Despite everything, |
| 00:51:53 |
And that is how l realized |
| 00:51:57 |
Going through all the pages |
| 00:52:01 |
l saw the rise of fascism |
| 00:52:06 |
Each volume |
| 00:52:10 |
And so on. |
| 00:52:14 |
And at the final issue of that year, |
| 00:52:19 |
lL DUCE FOUNDS AN EMPlRE |
| 00:52:22 |
Back then, persuasion meant |
| 00:52:26 |
Now persuasion is intimidating |
| 00:52:32 |
until you realize |
| 00:52:35 |
along with your future, |
| 00:52:39 |
You see people who get rewarded |
| 00:52:44 |
so you decide |
| 00:52:46 |
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| 00:52:50 |
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| 00:52:55 |
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| 00:52:59 |
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| 00:53:03 |
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| 00:53:06 |
|
| 00:53:09 |
|
| 00:53:12 |
|
| 00:53:15 |
|
| 00:53:21 |
A regime wins points |
| 00:53:25 |
when the opposition keeps quiet. |
| 00:53:30 |
They think that by keeping quiet |
| 00:53:33 |
and putting up with |
| 00:53:39 |
l don't mean deportations |
| 00:53:44 |
but instances of censorship |
| 00:53:50 |
Believing that being the opposition |
| 00:53:54 |
''Lowering your tone'', etc. |
| 00:53:56 |
This strengthens the regime |
| 00:53:59 |
and its power of impunity. |
| 00:54:01 |
That is historical experience. |
| 00:54:05 |
Can we list some cases of censorship |
| 00:54:11 |
We all know the personal cases. |
| 00:54:14 |
They chose a few |
| 00:54:18 |
Like Biagi, Santoro, |
| 00:54:21 |
Sabina Guzzanti and Paolo Rossi. |
| 00:54:24 |
- More money ! |
| 00:54:27 |
More and more money ! |
| 00:54:29 |
l took this farce of Molière's |
| 00:54:34 |
l'm one of you, |
| 00:54:37 |
Someone who used to be |
| 00:54:40 |
and who's now |
| 00:54:44 |
l'm here, but especially... |
| 00:54:47 |
We had 1 .2 million viewers |
| 00:54:52 |
The next day |
| 00:54:54 |
asking why it was interrupted |
| 00:54:58 |
l called RAl |
| 00:55:01 |
ln the first press release, |
| 00:55:05 |
and in the second, |
| 00:55:11 |
We believe in freedom |
| 00:55:13 |
in all its multiple and vital forms. |
| 00:55:18 |
Even taking away freedoms |
| 00:55:22 |
For the first time, |
| 00:55:26 |
of censor censuring |
| 00:55:31 |
and refuse to let the thing die. |
| 00:55:37 |
So l decided to file a lawsuit. |
| 00:55:39 |
Ferruccio De Bortoli is a perfect |
| 00:55:44 |
They established a precedent. |
| 00:55:46 |
They can fire |
| 00:55:48 |
even if they don't own it. |
| 00:55:50 |
l gave up the editorship |
| 00:55:55 |
lt was a completely |
| 00:56:00 |
lt's no secret that l had problems |
| 00:56:04 |
and it's no secret |
| 00:56:08 |
with various lawsuits. |
| 00:56:12 |
l must say that l find this |
| 00:56:16 |
of a pathology in the system. |
| 00:56:21 |
Unfortunately in ltaly, |
| 00:56:26 |
of ''who doesn't agree with me, |
| 00:56:30 |
therefore allied with |
| 00:56:34 |
You can't have professionals |
| 00:56:36 |
who are allowed to perform |
| 00:56:41 |
We've lost the ''Corriere'' |
| 00:56:43 |
and ltalian democracy |
| 00:56:45 |
has lost its most |
| 00:56:49 |
The newspaper is lost. |
| 00:56:51 |
The new editor-in-chief |
| 00:56:55 |
but he is not like |
| 00:57:01 |
lt's a scandal |
| 00:57:08 |
..and Santoro. |
| 00:57:10 |
Excuse me. |
| 00:57:16 |
lf they're capable |
| 00:57:20 |
they could easily fire us, |
| 00:57:23 |
And no one could do anything, |
| 00:57:27 |
not even raise an eyebrow |
| 00:57:31 |
Then we got involved with |
| 00:57:36 |
at TG1 , radio news reports... |
| 00:57:39 |
Often editors say |
| 00:57:41 |
''l got a 'phone call'. |
| 00:57:43 |
We can't talk about this anymore''. |
| 00:57:44 |
lt happens all the time, |
| 00:57:47 |
- This seriously ? |
| 00:57:50 |
Entire stories |
| 00:57:53 |
Even page formats ! |
| 00:57:55 |
News stories aren't prioritised |
| 00:57:59 |
lt's a completely different matter, |
| 00:58:04 |
And there are cases |
| 00:58:07 |
like what happened with Channel 7, |
| 00:58:10 |
''Since Channel 7 |
| 00:58:13 |
let's kill it from the start, |
| 00:58:17 |
We'll have someone |
| 00:58:22 |
we'll do favours for him, |
| 00:58:25 |
We'll make sure he doesn't call |
| 00:58:30 |
otherwise it's pointless.'' |
| 00:58:32 |
ls the prime minister happy about |
| 00:58:35 |
- Are you happy ? |
| 00:58:38 |
- What the hell are you saying ? |
| 00:58:41 |
- lt's a disgrace ! |
| 00:58:44 |
ls the profit for me |
| 00:58:48 |
- Someone else. |
| 00:58:50 |
- l see... |
| 00:58:54 |
- How ? |
| 00:58:57 |
But, Mr Prime Minister... |
| 00:59:00 |
You either have democracy, |
| 00:59:04 |
The two things |
| 00:59:08 |
lf what happened to people |
| 00:59:12 |
Tagliafico, Rossi, etc, etc, |
| 00:59:24 |
all our members of parliament... |
| 00:59:27 |
would have nailed themselves |
| 00:59:31 |
They would have gone |
| 00:59:36 |
|
| 00:59:38 |
|
| 00:59:44 |
Let's say right now... |
| 00:59:52 |
RAl... |
| 00:59:57 |
is noticing... |
| 01:00:02 |
some restriction on pluralism |
| 01:00:05 |
that l'll have to explain better... |
| 01:00:09 |
The opposition is somehow |
| 01:00:12 |
the rules of the game |
| 01:00:14 |
because they accepted them. |
| 01:00:16 |
Because they're playing the game. |
| 01:00:19 |
Because from that point of view, |
| 01:00:25 |
one side decided |
| 01:00:30 |
To stop pressing the question |
| 01:00:33 |
as long as they could keep |
| 01:00:37 |
l don't think the opposition |
| 01:00:40 |
lf tomorrow all the present |
| 01:00:45 |
they'd still make 90% of the same |
| 01:00:50 |
and would still be trying |
| 01:00:55 |
The opposition has to realize |
| 01:01:00 |
a revolution of the ltalian |
| 01:01:03 |
They need to give up |
| 01:01:07 |
Zapatero was elected |
| 01:01:09 |
and immediately started |
| 01:01:13 |
that let the prime minister |
| 01:01:18 |
l hope that is irreversible |
| 01:01:20 |
and that people in ltaly want it too |
| 01:01:24 |
if it ever does. |
| 01:01:26 |
Because it's not tolerable |
| 01:01:29 |
that political parties |
| 01:01:32 |
The problem goes beyond Berlusconi |
| 01:01:36 |
because politicians took |
| 01:01:38 |
long before Berlusconi |
| 01:01:42 |
He got involved and took advantage |
| 01:01:45 |
of a situation |
| 01:01:49 |
That's why Centre-Left parties |
| 01:01:55 |
about this kind of logic, |
| 01:01:58 |
|
| 01:02:02 |
|
| 01:02:05 |
Berlusconi knows that in 1994 |
| 01:02:12 |
his corporation wouldn't be touched |
| 01:02:16 |
He knows and |
| 01:02:21 |
But you called us |
| 01:02:25 |
even though we didn't pass |
| 01:02:29 |
we allowed Berlusconi to run |
| 01:02:32 |
and Mediaset's sales jumped |
| 01:02:36 |
25-fold ! |
| 01:02:40 |
|
| 01:02:44 |
|
| 01:02:46 |
Some of the laws |
| 01:02:48 |
most detrimental to the Centre-Left |
| 01:02:51 |
and most favourable |
| 01:02:54 |
were made |
| 01:02:57 |
l'm talking about |
| 01:03:01 |
laws regarding public television |
| 01:03:06 |
the shelving of |
| 01:03:11 |
the laws on conflict of interest. |
| 01:03:14 |
Why did Berlusconi cause the |
| 01:03:18 |
the Centre-Left made laws |
| 01:03:21 |
that were not in |
| 01:03:25 |
but were laws that Berlusconi |
| 01:03:32 |
|
| 01:03:34 |
|
| 01:03:37 |
|
| 01:03:40 |
|
| 01:03:43 |
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| 01:03:46 |
Why were so many of them persuaded |
| 01:03:52 |
that it's wrong and damaging |
| 01:03:56 |
to so passionately deal with |
| 01:03:58 |
the man that is so determined |
| 01:04:02 |
to ruin the country, |
| 01:04:07 |
and regurgitate fascism, |
| 01:04:11 |
moral, psychological |
| 01:04:15 |
as well as pre-Nazi thought |
| 01:04:20 |
Why must one want |
| 01:04:25 |
with someone |
| 01:04:28 |
we don't want to listen to |
| 01:04:33 |
This is the mystery |
| 01:05:20 |
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| 01:05:23 |
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| 01:05:25 |
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| 01:05:28 |
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| 01:05:31 |
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Think about me, |
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who by law cannot run for office |
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or even become a representative, is |
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That is so exhilarating ! |
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This should give |
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Just relax. |
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Using money nobody knows |
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And even though everyone knew it, |
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The opposition was elected |
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so they'd pass a law |
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and they didn't even do it ! |
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They see all my china |
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So l generously tell them: |
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Yes. |
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l want to be free to talk and listen. |
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Since RAl |
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we had to go somewhere |
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We're here to protect |
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The funny thing is that we didn't |
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l've gone up and down |
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You can't imagine |
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- Tell them there's no more room. |
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They can see it there. |
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- Do you see it ? |
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Hello and thanks for coming. |
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l'd like to tell |
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that you alone are 15,000 people. |
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They go all the way to the bus stop. |
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Revolution is possible |
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ln this white light. |
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lt's not a coincidence |
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The Centre-Left |
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They should run |
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lf they don't, |
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When the Left was in power, |
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