Endgame

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00:02:22 This is an illegal gathering.
00:02:24 You must disperse immediately.
00:03:15 Stay down.
00:03:25 Pass.
00:03:31 You're in Soweto.
00:03:35 My sister lives in District Three.
00:03:40 What's in the back?
00:03:42 Furniture.
00:04:17 Wait.
00:04:25 Okay, it's fine.
00:05:07 He was out collecting wood
00:05:18 The Police came out of nowhere and
00:05:27 They took my dad and tied him
00:05:29 and dropped him into the river.
00:05:34 They made us watch him drown.
00:05:42 They told us to go home and tell
00:05:49 We have a word...
00:05:51 'Ubuntu'.
00:05:53 It means a person's humanity...
00:05:55 is measured according to their
00:05:59 We tell the children that these
00:06:05 have lost their humanity...
00:06:07 and are as much victims
00:06:16 Who the hell is he?
00:06:18 He's a friend I can vouch for him.
00:06:21 He's here to help.
00:06:23 To talk about fund raising for our
00:06:26 We didn't ask for his hand-outs.
00:06:27 - Leave him be! Let him be!
00:06:40 Sir?
00:06:43 Go, go, go!
00:06:51 - It's Michael Young.
00:06:57 This isn't going to work for us.
00:07:02 Safer to stay in the foothills.
00:07:04 The more visible, the more
00:07:16 Yes, it's much safer.
00:07:46 A bit of hush.
00:07:49 It is my pleasure to present
00:07:52 The African National Congress'
00:07:55 who is here representing
00:07:59 I know that you'll make Mr Mbeki
00:08:13 My name is Thabo Mbeki...
00:08:16 and I am a terrorist.
00:08:21 No doubt, that is what you
00:08:26 No incendiary devices.
00:08:29 No concealed weapons.
00:08:33 I am just a man, as you are.
00:08:37 Every day the President
00:08:42 under the mantle of his State
00:08:44 deploys thousands more of
00:08:47 brutally crushing the rising
00:08:52 Yet, the UK, is still one of South
00:08:57 Every company...
00:08:59 every financial institution
00:09:03 is a source of political and economic
00:09:09 If it is true that money talks,
00:09:14 Let your voice join ours when we say
00:09:20 The time to shout 'enough' has come.
00:09:24 The time for you to act is here.
00:09:49 Mr Mbeki?
00:09:52 Michael Young.
00:09:52 Public Affairs Director,
00:09:57 Tell me how we can help.
00:10:01 It's not an offer to make lightly,
00:10:06 It wasn't made lightly.
00:10:08 As you say, we too have an incentive
00:10:18 We have this recurring
00:10:21 that one day the South African
00:10:24 indicating that it is ready to talk
00:10:27 Because of our antagonism and
00:10:32 We fail to respond.
00:10:35 We miss the moment.
00:10:40 Thank you.
00:10:49 An apparatchik working for
00:10:52 Is that what it's come to?
00:10:53 The fact that he works for Goldfields
00:10:58 You know a better entry card?
00:11:00 And if the Public Affairs
00:11:02 I doubt he's Ml6.
00:11:09 I need a word.
00:11:17 He's expecting you.
00:11:22 Come in.
00:11:27 I think I have a way forward
00:11:30 I'm listening.
00:11:55 Mr Vijoan?
00:11:57 It's Michael Young. I called last
00:12:00 I'm trying to set up between
00:12:04 The risk is too great.
00:12:06 I have a young family to think of.
00:12:08 Please don't call me again.
00:12:17 They're just exploratory meetings...
00:12:19 and someone representing
00:12:22 who better to act as
00:12:26 It's not the policy of our church
00:12:30 I can't help you. I am sorry.
00:13:21 There are those on both sides
00:13:25 To maintain secrecy, it's best
00:13:29 In South Africa secrets are
00:13:32 They also have a habit
00:13:35 I can't be bothered.
00:13:55 - Can I use your toilet?
00:15:12 Love has a habit of pushing us
00:15:16 An earthquake claims a thousand lives.
00:15:19 Families bludgeoned to death
00:15:22 The death of a much loved child.
00:15:24 Such events prompt us to ask
00:15:29 such tragedies to happen.
00:15:37 The task of Philosophy is to rise above
00:15:43 to seek a deeper truth
00:15:48 I'll finish with the words of Pascal.
00:15:53 'If man's dignity lies in thought...
00:15:57 then let us all strive to think well.'
00:16:03 Good day.
00:16:07 Be warned!
00:16:08 Those who have not yet handed in their
00:16:11 will find their own freedom curtailed.
00:16:16 Mr Gruber, make my day.
00:16:19 Treat yourself to a new
00:16:33 Mr Young, I assume?
00:16:43 An audacious mission
00:16:48 A mission impossible,
00:16:50 What you are asking is impossible.
00:16:52 No sane man would put his livelihood,
00:16:57 on the line
00:17:00 In this country, those who go public
00:17:03 acquire the status of a pariah.
00:17:05 Yet, you still agreed
00:17:09 You say Consolidated Goldfields have
00:17:16 Your founder would turn in his grave.
00:17:20 Rhodes knew that market forces
00:17:24 You are being disingenuous.
00:17:26 This is about your company protecting
00:17:30 They know apartheid is an anathema
00:17:34 They've colluded with it long enough.
00:17:43 It's an open secret that a silent
00:17:50 Botha no longer consults Parliament
00:17:55 but rules in the manner of
00:17:59 Only his inner sanctum of
00:18:04 It's they who wield the power,
00:18:08 in a political solution.
00:18:22 Like most Afrikaners, I find...
00:18:25 the murderous methodology of
00:18:29 and the idea of cosying up to them
00:18:33 even the thought makes me retch.
00:18:49 I'm sorry that you
00:18:54 I am not the man
00:19:15 Get on the move.
00:20:23 If you are not otherwise engaged,
00:20:25 the Minister of Justice invites
00:20:29 I'm told it's cucumber sandwiches
00:20:37 It seems you
00:20:39 The Head of National Intelligence,
00:20:43 Doctor Barnard is here?
00:20:48 A moment if you please, Mr Brand.
00:21:50 Copy, control.
00:21:58 Thank you.
00:22:00 Control.
00:22:12 Mr Coatsee.
00:22:15 Good to see you too, Mr Mandela.
00:22:19 Doctor Neil Barnard is here,
00:22:22 He's asked to sit in
00:22:25 Mr Nelson Mandela.
00:22:29 I've waited a long time
00:22:34 Likewise, sir.
00:23:17 ...used tear gas
00:23:19 in what a security forces
00:23:21 'necessary measures
00:23:24 And, there were further arrests when
00:23:28 held a recruitment rally,
00:23:31 If they want to take this country
00:23:36 they'll meet us
00:23:40 A! W! B!
00:24:11 Michael Young.
00:24:13 I cannot stand by and do nothing
00:24:18 I'll come to your meeting.
00:24:21 Let me know where and when.
00:24:43 Doctor Barnard, Mr President.
00:24:47 - Did he take the bait?
00:24:53 - He took it alright.
00:25:20 Tambo's waiting to see you.
00:25:24 Oliver, maybe these talks are the
00:25:27 Yes, but not everyone is going
00:25:30 Many will see this as a betrayal.
00:25:32 So, we need to keep this between us,
00:25:36 Be careful, Thabo.
00:25:59 We're in.
00:26:00 Some housekeeping notes.
00:26:03 No telephone communication
00:26:05 in Lusaka or here in London.
00:26:08 South African Intelligence have our
00:26:12 Don't think because you're back
00:26:16 Car and letter bombs are the weapons
00:26:20 Welcome to our world.
00:26:29 The board get wind we're jumping into
00:26:31 with a bunch of Kalashnikov
00:26:35 we'll both be out on our ears.
00:26:38 They can't ignore reality.
00:26:40 Every day Botha gets more isolated,
00:26:43 Something doesn't give, and soon
00:26:49 You see your role in this as what?
00:26:51 To create a neutral arena
00:26:54 Hope that they can see each other
00:26:58 A risky strategy.
00:27:00 Others are risking more than that.
00:27:03 Heroics don't cut much ice with
00:27:12 A 'need to know' basis. Only.
00:27:18 I'll bury the costs under Research
00:27:25 Arrangements for my personal affairs
00:27:29 - You think that's likely?
00:27:36 Michael?
00:27:38 If this ever gets out...
00:27:40 I shall have to deny all knowledge
00:27:45 And, I'll be nothing,
00:28:15 Passport? Ticket?
00:28:18 Taxi.
00:28:29 It's okay.
00:28:36 Professor.
00:28:42 In the nick of time.
00:28:49 May I come in?
00:29:07 In public, Botha's still holding
00:29:10 that you must defeat terrorists before
00:29:14 Privately, he wants you to continue
00:29:18 The more we know about the ANC's
00:29:23 the better we are equipped
00:29:26 So, I am to act as your spy?
00:29:32 A go between is more what
00:29:37 Have you thought why you were chosen
00:29:44 You're a soft target.
00:29:46 They think your reputation as an
00:29:49 gives them a way in.
00:29:53 Play along.
00:29:56 Mbeki must think you are just a...
00:29:59 respected academic on
00:30:03 A soft target is not
00:30:06 I'm going to that meeting to hear
00:30:09 As importantly for them to hear
00:30:13 The whole process
00:30:16 Ja, but the thing is,
00:30:19 You don't co-operate...
00:30:21 your participation in
00:30:32 My direct line. Call me.
00:30:38 You need to be vigilant
00:30:43 Always check under your
00:30:47 I'll send my people over
00:31:22 And your ticket?
00:31:23 Don't forget to ring Albi Sachs.
00:31:34 Hello?
00:31:35 This is Thabo Mbeki.
00:31:36 He's just left for the airport.
00:31:42 Albi!
00:31:50 Albi!
00:32:01 - Get another line.
00:32:42 Background checks on staff. And
00:32:46 I briefed them this morning.
00:32:47 Brief them every morning.
00:32:55 - This is Mr Mambenki's room.
00:33:01 - All the rooms are ensuite.
00:33:06 - And, next door?
00:33:10 Put Professor Esterhuyse
00:33:14 We need to mix them up. Maximise
00:33:17 - Right.
00:34:11 'Welcome' seems a meagre word
00:34:16 But, it is no less sincere,
00:34:21 Now, as you can see from
00:34:24 we have a lot of ground to cover.
00:34:27 So, if we're to get through it
00:34:31 With respect, Mr Young.
00:34:33 Since you are not South African,
00:34:36 It's ours.
00:34:41 And, with respect, Mr Mbeki...
00:34:43 I must remind you that the agenda
00:34:56 Item one.
00:35:04 We know that you Afrikaners have
00:35:10 As, we have.
00:35:12 We know too, that it was from your
00:35:15 that a system of apartheid
00:35:19 The need to dominate is often
00:35:22 Our problem is, as exiles, we are...
00:35:25 outside the political system.
00:35:28 So, we are not in a position to offer
00:35:30 in any potential negotiations with
00:35:37 If you can't offer concessions,
00:35:40 All we can do is set out our
00:35:44 The release of Nelson Mandela
00:35:47 The unbanning of all proscribed
00:35:50 Only then can a negotiated transition
00:35:55 So, then, we can take it that there
00:36:00 that the ANC hopes Mandela will
00:36:03 Thus elevating him to the status
00:36:06 You don't think he's achieved
00:36:08 That rumour, along with most
00:36:11 is based on disinformation.
00:36:13 And, the riots and bloodshed
00:36:17 Can you guarantee you can control
00:36:20 Controlling Mrs Mandela and her
00:36:23 As would controlling the brutality
00:36:28 Can you guarantee that?
00:36:32 There's talk in Pretoria that Botha
00:36:36 forming a new body to be
00:36:39 where black representatives can join
00:36:45 as a prelude to power sharing.
00:36:47 Can we ask your opinion on such
00:36:49 What is yours?
00:36:53 I'm just here on a fact-finding
00:36:57 Your opinion is the issue.
00:36:58 My understanding is we are not here
00:37:02 Or, disguising it under some new
00:37:06 We're here to talk about how
00:37:09 What we are seeking, is a prelude
00:37:14 Power sharing, is not an option.
00:37:48 Ah, Professor.
00:38:09 Okay. Good, good.
00:38:12 Perhaps, if you outline the specific
00:38:15 relating to majority rule.
00:38:18 It's not bloody rocket science.
00:38:22 The blacks come after our blood,
00:38:24 and our children get slaughtered
00:38:27 A communist leaning administration
00:38:32 They'll end up in the same post
00:38:35 as the other African states.
00:38:37 Professor?
00:38:38 You'll obliterate not only our language
00:38:42 Fear is the first weapon
00:38:45 It blinds us all from seeing
00:38:50 Your hands are not
00:38:53 What is your campaign of terror
00:38:56 The culture of fear is not of
00:38:59 We learnt it at the feet
00:39:10 You're looking tired, Mr Mandela.
00:39:13 Fortunately, I had no other
00:39:19 I look forward to our next
00:39:23 For a moment I thought you said,
00:39:27 My ear's playing tricks on me.
00:39:31 Good night, Doctor.
00:39:34 - Mr. Coatsee.
00:39:41 Stop all contact with the
00:39:45 We don't need their
00:39:48 Alright.
00:39:51 And get him a suit for next time.
00:39:53 We'll get more out of him
00:39:55 Okay. It's a good idea.
00:40:39 I'll leave you to it.
00:40:40 I just think things might free up
00:40:49 Bored with us already?
00:40:52 It's a tactical withdrawal.
00:41:11 So, Professor.
00:41:15 When you first saw me,
00:41:17 'Ah, so that's what a fucking,
00:41:25 And, you? Did you think...
00:41:28 'Ah, so that's what a fucking
00:41:33 No doubt, you assume our claim
00:41:36 is just a rhetoric of political
00:41:42 It's what defines us.
00:41:47 And you are mistaken in your
00:41:53 Our fear doesn't
00:41:58 but from the deep rooted knowledge
00:42:04 for all the terrible wrongs
00:42:23 Good night, Professor.
00:42:26 Goodnight.
00:44:05 Hello?
00:44:08 Professor?
00:44:13 Can I help you?
00:44:47 Young gave his assurance the place
00:44:51 I couldn't take the chance.
00:44:56 I hope to God, you don't make me
00:45:02 To the press and parliament,
00:45:06 you must abandon your weapons before
00:45:15 But, my presence here suggests
00:45:24 Botha knows about these talks?
00:45:29 I'm instructed to report back
00:45:32 in National Intelligence.
00:45:38 I'm to be their Trojan horse.
00:45:47 You take a risk telling
00:45:51 It would be a risk not telling you.
00:45:57 Without trust, we'll achieve nothing.
00:46:00 Tambo says if we are to...
00:46:03 win our freedom
00:46:07 banish bitterness.
00:46:11 This will be the test of it.
00:46:14 For all of us.
00:46:35 Get him ready.
00:46:37 Let's give him a taste
00:46:40 If you could just turn around.
00:46:48 - Okay. It's good?
00:46:53 I've lost the knack
00:46:59 Well, shall we?
00:48:48 Got it. I've got it.
00:48:59 Barnard.
00:49:00 Did he enjoy his day of freedom?
00:49:02 Enough to get a taste for it,
00:49:06 - And the UK talks?
00:49:09 I need more than that to placate
00:49:12 Sir, the Cabinet must know
00:49:14 If some loose lips blabs to CNN the
00:49:17 You sold me these talks
00:49:22 To give us leverage over Mandela.
00:49:24 If you're not going to deliver.
00:49:34 I have his exact words
00:49:45 Leave us.
00:49:54 I do have a home to go to, Doctor.
00:50:02 At the risk of invoking more accusations
00:50:08 In my view, Mbeki, is a man
00:50:13 A view based on what?
00:50:19 Your cosy fireside chats?
00:50:21 His existential ramblings
00:50:27 One can respect a man's commitment
00:50:30 without sharing his methods
00:50:35 Forgive me, if I don't also genuflect
00:50:39 Talk is cheap, Professor.
00:50:42 He made no concessions, did he?
00:50:46 His so called conversion to moderation
00:50:50 And you...
00:50:52 you fell for it.
00:51:02 - Can I go home?
00:51:27 Mandela sent his lawyer with
00:51:30 They've isolated him from Sisulu
00:51:37 He's been holding secret talks with
00:51:41 who reports back to Botha.
00:51:43 I pressed Bizoz on the content
00:51:46 He claims Nelson said nothing.
00:51:49 He wanted to assure me he's
00:51:51 He's walking into a trap.
00:51:55 Botha knows about the U.K. talks.
00:51:58 Barnard recruited Esterhuyse
00:52:02 They're playing 'divide and rule'
00:52:05 Pretoria will claim that
00:52:09 wanted a peaceful settlement but
00:52:12 rejected it to pursue their
00:52:15 Madiba would never fall for such
00:52:17 How do we know what
00:52:19 The pressure he's under?
00:52:22 What concessions he'll make
00:52:28 If he's so solid with us
00:52:34 Why exclude you, of all people.
00:52:40 This Esterhuyse,
00:52:46 Yes.
00:52:47 A man you've barely
00:52:50 Yet, I'm supposed
00:52:53 Who sacrificed everything for us.
00:52:55 If trust is the issue...
00:52:59 perhaps it is my judgement
00:53:01 If we let ourselves be tainted
00:53:04 Botha's tactics will succeed.
00:53:45 The bombing came less than 24 hours
00:53:49 that security forces had uncovered
00:53:53 and arrested 23 suspected insurgents.
00:53:55 We understand that two of
00:53:59 Security Forces have stepped up
00:54:11 Get in here.
00:54:22 I'm home, Marie.
00:55:38 Target is confirmed.
00:55:41 Sure.
00:57:47 And the bloodshed
00:57:48 after a bomb exploded
00:57:51 in Roodeport, near Johannesburg.
00:57:53 Four civilians were killed
00:57:56 A spokesman claimed that
00:57:59 He declined to give details on the
00:58:02 which caused the explosion.
00:58:06 Is that how you justify your campaign
00:58:11 the killing of innocent civilians?
00:58:13 We have never supported
00:58:15 Tell that to the women
00:58:18 with your limpet bombs and
00:58:21 Or are dead children legitimate
00:58:24 to promote your cycle of terror?
00:58:26 I can quote you chapter and verse
00:58:30 Names, ages and dates,
00:58:35 I think a break
00:58:39 ANC policy is,
00:58:44 that only military and economic
00:58:48 If it smells like crap and
00:58:50 chances are, it is crap.
00:58:55 Not once have I tried to justify...
00:58:57 the excesses of
00:59:00 Yet, you persist in spouting this
00:59:06 Maybe they think if they say it
00:59:11 This really is not productive,
00:59:16 The timing, of the Roodeport
00:59:21 Lusaka authorised it...
00:59:23 in the full knowledge of our meetings.
00:59:28 It's the old terror tactic...
00:59:30 once the talking starts,
00:59:35 If you think that's going
00:59:38 in any negotiations with
00:59:40 you've seen to it that
00:59:47 Frankly...
00:59:55 so are these talks.
01:00:21 - Time to turn up the heat.
01:00:27 Hello, Mr Mandela. Please.
01:00:37 Let's talk about Roodeport.
01:00:45 It needed saying.
01:00:50 There was no getting round it.
01:00:54 Perhaps.
01:00:57 But, box a man into a corner and...
01:01:02 The President is running out
01:01:04 Either, you denounce the communist
01:01:07 condemn the violence...
01:01:10 or, frankly, you and I?
01:01:15 When political movements are forced
01:01:19 they inevitably are thrown together...
01:01:24 and, no man of honour would desert
01:01:28 at the request of a common enemy.
01:01:36 Gentlemen, excuse us.
01:01:48 You're not the only game
01:01:53 Don't you see?
01:01:55 This is your chance to seize
01:02:00 The ANC think they can bomb
01:02:04 but a few words from you,
01:02:10 will not only secure your freedom...
01:02:14 but will ensure that you alone...
01:02:20 will be the man the Government
01:02:24 You, alone, can lead us all out
01:02:36 Haven't your years of sacrifice
01:03:27 This is the situation.
01:03:31 All ANC bombing operations...
01:03:33 fall under the command and
01:03:36 But, some of our cadres,
01:03:41 sometimes act without authority.
01:03:45 Operations can get bungled.
01:03:49 Innocent people...
01:03:51 get killed.
01:03:55 But, you have my word...
01:03:57 that I will do everything
01:04:00 to ensure that civilians no longer
01:04:06 Are you telling us that you are unable
01:04:10 renegade cadres, Mr Mbeki?
01:04:15 If you know the truth
01:04:19 you will see that the issue
01:04:22 is irrevocably connected to
01:04:27 Only when we can participate
01:04:30 will our armed struggle
01:04:35 Only then will the conflict
01:04:52 - How did you sleep?
01:04:56 Alright, except for terrible
01:04:59 Oh, yes. That is a nightmare.
01:05:02 So, anyway, Thatcher is in Moscow...
01:05:05 the crowds in Red Square are all
01:05:07 She's getting quite queasy with all
01:05:10 so, she says to her interpreter,
01:05:15 And, they shout back,
01:05:28 I came here believing what happened
01:05:33 you changed that.
01:05:36 What you said in that room
01:05:46 - Safe home, Willie.
01:05:52 how truly sorry
01:06:00 Thank you.
01:06:44 Thabo?
01:07:20 Come off the road.
01:09:37 There was an incident on the way
01:09:44 They were not security agents.
01:09:52 Word is out about your talks.
01:09:55 Some of the militants will
01:10:00 For two decades we've said only
01:10:04 Instead of force,
01:10:07 They see that as a betrayal.
01:10:10 And when you pressed him
01:10:13 did he admit the ANC high command
01:10:17 He made the same point
01:10:19 cessation of violence...
01:10:21 is contingent on the Government
01:10:34 You told him there can be no question
01:10:38 Tell me, Doctor,
01:10:42 give up the armed struggle and
01:10:46 what would you give them in return?
01:10:48 You cannot go into negotiation without
01:10:52 Yet you send me in empty handed.
01:10:54 Don't be surprised if I come
01:10:57 You are not empowered
01:11:02 You're wrong. Doctor.
01:11:13 It's all we have left.
01:11:41 Mr Esterhuyse takes the view that...
01:11:44 before formal negotiations
01:11:46 concessions, must be made
01:11:49 If we make a gesture by
01:11:53 I said nothing about making
01:11:56 This is no longer a matter
01:12:00 Your policy of buying us time
01:12:04 a vacuum of uncertainty
01:12:07 You know what I think?
01:12:09 This is about your own survival,
01:12:16 If you are seen to take
01:12:20 history will always acknowledge it was
01:12:22 and vision to pull this country back,
01:12:27 You alone averted that catastrophe.
01:12:29 History might also say I took
01:12:36 I give way on Mandela's freedom now,
01:12:40 He's a man like any other.
01:12:42 The more he gets of it,
01:12:47 Mandela is the key.
01:13:04 - Where to today?
01:13:46 Control, confirm
01:13:59 Everything is alright,
01:15:02 I hope you like your
01:15:07 This is Warrant Officer Swart.
01:15:10 He'll look after you.
01:15:15 We've met before, at Robben Island.
01:15:18 I used to drive you to the quarry.
01:15:20 I hope you are a better cook
01:15:27 Give him the tour.
01:15:33 There's three bedrooms.
01:15:37 I'm sure you'll find the bed more
01:16:18 The departmental conference
01:16:24 We know exactly what's going on
01:16:27 between you and
01:16:29 Think carefully before going next time
01:17:17 This is Michael Young.
01:17:20 This is Esterhuyse.
01:17:22 I suggest...
01:17:24 that you make a date for
01:17:43 - I missed you.
01:17:50 Marigolds.
01:17:55 This one is in the wrong place.
01:18:00 You pick a spot.
01:19:23 Mr President?
01:19:25 Mr President, are you alright?
01:19:28 We need an ambulance now.
01:19:31 Hip, hip, hooray!
01:19:44 Bye bye, Tata.
01:19:57 My dear friend.
01:19:59 At best, Botha regarded my gilded cage
01:20:07 But I have had twenty years
01:20:14 Talking to Barnard was
01:20:17 but you can trust in one thing.
01:20:20 That I am not negotiating terms
01:20:24 but facilitating the process
01:20:30 Surely, you and I have come too far
01:20:40 The election of the new
01:20:42 has sparked a wave
01:20:46 And sensitivity about
01:20:49 seems to be fuelling the violence.
01:20:51 Mr De Klerk's position
01:20:53 have left some observers
01:20:58 Botha's mistake was his reliance
01:21:02 at the expense of protecting
01:21:06 I must tell you, that is a mistake
01:21:13 My mistake was accommodating his
01:21:16 from the ANC in a futile attempt
01:21:20 My discussions with Mr Mandela have
01:21:23 of doing that now is to give some
01:21:26 Before it's taken from us.
01:21:30 You've been detained
01:21:34 Gentlemen, shall we?
01:21:40 Help us end Apartheid now!
01:21:46 I doubt we're looking at
01:21:50 De Klerk is a life long
01:21:52 Presumably that's why his party
01:21:54 Names for the next meeting.
01:21:58 - Mix things up a bit.
01:22:01 - Yes, the President's brother.
01:22:09 I'm hoping he's got
01:22:11 Unlike F.W.,
01:22:14 What if his brother vetoes his
01:22:18 Esterhuyse is committed now.
01:22:21 Unless his passport is revoked.
01:22:36 This is the Esterhuyse residence.
01:22:39 If you leave a message.
01:22:43 And you're sure that
01:22:47 I've tried him at home.
01:22:58 Thabo. Tony. Aziz.
01:23:03 - The others aren't here yet?
01:23:09 If he contacts you,
01:23:11 tell him to call Michael Young
01:23:14 I'll be waiting by the phone.
01:24:01 Tell him that I can't see him now.
01:24:09 The President will be unable
01:24:13 His diary secretary will
01:24:52 Bloody highway pile-up.
01:24:55 Gentlemen.
01:24:56 - Michael Young, Mr De Klerk.
01:24:58 Willem De Klerk, Journalist and
01:25:04 - Pleased to meet you.
01:25:07 Shall we?
01:25:15 You had us worried there.
01:25:16 You don't get rid of me that easily.
01:25:48 My dear friend and comrade.
01:25:51 I cannot tell you my relief
01:25:56 Had you contacted me before,
01:26:00 that yours are not the only talks
01:26:04 Your release is high on the agenda
01:26:08 Given the hard line position
01:26:12 the future of those talks
01:26:16 Call it what it is, Willie.
01:26:20 In other words, you want us to
01:26:22 the privileges whites enjoy
01:26:24 The idea of group rights is that
01:26:29 White or black.
01:26:31 Isn't that what your non-racial
01:26:34 But without assurance of that...
01:26:36 the President will never come
01:26:41 Is that not so, Willem?
01:26:48 That's not for me to say, Professor.
01:26:56 De Klerk's brother
01:26:58 He frequently points out he's
01:27:05 He barely got his feet under
01:27:07 Time is the enemy.
01:27:09 Every day he procrastinates,
01:27:13 What is Barnard's sense of him?
01:27:15 Barnard's access to the President's
01:27:20 We must rely on his brother
01:27:27 I thought we might discuss your
01:27:31 I've some excellent brandy
01:27:32 Another night, perhaps.
01:27:42 My dear friend...
01:27:44 our struggle is now at a tipping
01:27:50 We must try and convince De Klerk
01:27:53 that the whites have nothing
01:27:56 It is not revenge that governs
01:28:01 We must use every method open
01:28:06 that unless he acts soon,
01:28:10 What is he waiting for?
01:28:11 How many more weeks,
01:28:13 And where is he on Mandela? Can he not
01:28:17 the more time he is giving
01:28:19 Exactly!
01:28:20 I do not have the answers
01:28:23 My brother is not in the habit of
01:28:27 Or anyone else, it seems.
01:28:33 Yes.
01:28:35 Yes, I understand well.
01:28:40 We can't put it like that.
01:28:44 Yes, it's important, but
01:29:17 I apologise. I lost track of...
01:29:26 Shall we start by returning to
01:29:29 I wonder...
01:29:32 On behalf of my brother, I have
01:29:37 If you will bear with me.
01:29:43 One...
01:29:46 when would it be possible for
01:29:50 about how to progress formal
01:29:54 Two.
01:29:56 What would your preconditions
01:30:01 and, three... what agenda
01:30:19 You can... tell the President...
01:30:24 there will be no preconditions
01:30:30 and we leave it to him
01:30:38 As for timing...
01:30:44 we are ready when he is.
01:31:00 And your position on the cease
01:31:05 We would order that all violence
01:31:08 while negotiations take place.
01:31:12 When a new constitution
01:31:16 we will give the instruction that
01:31:21 is to be abandoned.
01:32:32 Oliver.
01:32:36 Thabo.
01:32:41 Would you read this for me, please?
01:32:48 "Although we have been apart
01:32:51 It's as if I've been conducting
01:32:56 with you in my head.
01:33:00 All I pray now, is that you recover
01:33:05 we can continue it face to face.
01:33:11 As for my freedom...
01:33:14 it is a secondary matter
01:33:20 And, until all those imprisoned
01:33:25 I must be the last
01:33:35 He wouldn't give a name,
01:33:44 Esterhuyse.
01:33:46 I suppose the weather's
01:33:50 Is that what you called to discuss?
01:33:55 What time is it over there?
01:33:58 - Noon.
01:34:17 Now, as we wait for what's been
01:34:20 Let's reflect on the momentous events
01:34:24 The tearing down of the Berlin Wall
01:34:28 But, South Africa has had many
01:34:31 So many speeches which have promised
01:34:37 Here now is President De Klerk
01:34:41 As he makes his way to the podium,
01:34:44 and indeed the world,
01:34:48 My Government has taken the decision
01:34:53 release Mr Nelson Mandela.
01:34:56 I've also instructed that the
01:34:59 of the African National Congress
01:35:02 and the South African Communist
01:35:07 The time has come to negotiate.
01:35:10 The hopes of millions
01:35:12 will be centred on that process.
01:35:15 We must not falter.
01:35:21 Thank you.
01:35:26 We go now to Victor Verster Prison,
01:35:29 the man who's been imprisoned
01:35:33 72 years old, will be
01:35:36 for the first time, any moment now.
01:35:40 International media perched.
01:35:43 The crowd getting excited.
01:35:46 That's him.
01:35:47 And there is Mister Mandela.
01:35:52 Taking his first steps into
01:36:00 Mrs Winnie Mandela next to him
01:36:03 And a salute
01:36:05 His wife greeting the people who have
01:36:14 This is the man that the world's
01:36:17 His first public appearance
01:36:21 The day for which he too,
01:36:49 We owe you so much more.
01:36:52 It takes a big man to make
01:36:58 Thank you.
01:36:59 Thank you. Michael.
01:37:09 Stay safe.
01:37:12 And you...
01:37:15 comrade.
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