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Five Minutes of Heaven
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CLOCK TICKING |
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For me to talk about the man |
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I was 14 when I joined |
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and I was 15 when I joined the UVF, |
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At that time, don't forget, |
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every week, petrol bombs every day |
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When you got home and switched on the |
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And it was like we were under siege. |
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Fathers and brothers of friends |
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And the feeling was, |
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We're all in this together |
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TICKING CONTINUES |
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TICKING STOPS |
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CHURCH BELL RINGS |
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DOG BARKS |
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CHILDREN SHOUT |
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NEWSREADER: 'The Republican ClubsThanks. |
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'And after the overnight shootings |
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'Also, as we talk to The Fianna |
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'The Republican Clubs Movement |
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'after last night's |
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'Despite the many shootings |
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CLOCK TICKING |
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PLAYS: "A Glass Of Champagne" |
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# I got the money I've got the place |
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# You've got the figure |
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# Let's get together the two of us |
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# I've got the music |
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# I've got the night |
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# You've got the figure |
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# Let's get together the two of us |
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# I've been waiting |
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# Much too long |
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# For this moment to come along |
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# Oh yeah |
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# Oh yeah. # |
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LOW CLATTER OF DOMESTIC CHORES |
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Come on, come on, come on. |
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Fuck! |
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CHILD: Come on, Mum! |
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Get down! |
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Wait... |
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Oi! Fuck! Run! |
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All right there, kid? Hi, Jim. |
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All right? |
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Heya, Da. |
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Hi, Jim. Are you ready for your tea? |
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Hey, Jim, Chrissie called for you. |
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He asked if you were going out laterI called him earlier. |
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One, two, three, four, five, |
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eight, nine, ten. |
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OK. |
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One, two, three! |
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Come on! I'm doing it! They'llI know! |
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THEY CHUCKLE |
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They've left us some buns. |
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We've four fucking buns! |
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What sort of buns? Iced. |
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Pink! How did they know? |
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Ah, fucking hell. Eh? |
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Fucking hell! |
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DOORBELL RINGS |
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All right, Stuart? |
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TV IN BACKGROUND |
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All right there, Mr Little, |
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Hello, Stuart. Hello. |
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TV: 'He is still alive, isn't he?' |
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I like this fella here. |
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Aye, he's not bad. |
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All right. I'll see you later. |
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No drinking now. No, Mum. |
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Sure, he's a lemonade boy, |
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You have a nice evening. |
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Did Sammy visit? |
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So what's the craic?I'll tell you in the car. |
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BANG! |
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THEY SIGH |
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39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44... |
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45, 46, 47, 48... Go into the house. |
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Yes, Ma. Now! Yes, Ma. |
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50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56 |
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57, 58... |
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See you later, kiddo. ..60, 61...All right, Joe. ..62, |
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63, 64, 65, 66... |
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ENGINE TURNS OVER |
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All right, lads. Where did youThe Windsor.Does it run OK? Aye, it's OK. |
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Craig's barn. |
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DOG BARKS |
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OK, Stuart, open the bag. |
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He's wanting us to dig his gardens. |
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Right, this is what's going down. |
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You know Colin who works at Castle's |
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The Provies told him that if he |
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so I sent the message back, |
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They haven't withdrawn the threat. |
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So this is our first kill, boys. |
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I told Sammy that I wanted to do it. |
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He came back to me |
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"The hit's yours," he said. |
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You don't ask that. |
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It's a 38. Smith and Wesson. |
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Nah, Stuart, this is better than |
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With this, you know, it's not going |
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you know, standing there |
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Enough. |
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He must be reckoning we're good |
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Well, this is the one I asked for |
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Sammy, |
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He just looked us in the eyes like |
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I'm telling you, it was |
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I can't wait for that. |
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We have to do it first, mind. |
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Can I hold it? |
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Give us a wee jig of it after you, |
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Hey, give us a look. |
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Fucking hell, man! |
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Powerful, isn't it? Mad, isn't it? |
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Who is it? |
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Griffin. |
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Griffin? He was warned to leave |
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Hang on, Jim Griffin. |
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Aye. I know him. That's right. |
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Albert Street, aren't they? |
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He's leaving the yard anyway, |
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Griffin, is he? |
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Oh, you meanAye, |
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Hang on, can't be here in Lurgan. |
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Surely now, not two masons' yards |
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They're going to be up |
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That's what I'm hearing. Well, he's |
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She's our dinner lady |
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Aye, I know the woman you mean. |
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Sure her sister Catherine |
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So is that her son we're doing?It's not Albert Street. |
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They used to be, I'm sure of it.It's Hill Street. |
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It's 37 Hill Street. |
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58, 59, 60, 61, 62, |
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63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68... |
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Go on in now, son. And doYes, Da. |
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..72, 73, 74, 75, |
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76, 77, 78, |
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79, 80, 81, |
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82, 83, 84... |
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When we've done it, we burn the car, |
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we call Sammy and we go to the hop. |
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Let's go. |
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37? You sure? |
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Aye, it's left. |
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Army! Down! |
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What's happened? |
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They're passing. |
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Go right.They've seen me indicating left now. |
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Go left then. |
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Just take us round the block, Andy. |
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Oh, fuck! What is it? |
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Lights have gone red. Where are |
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Are they staying in the vehicle? |
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Alistair, |
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Let's get out of here. |
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Aye, do you want to get out of here?No, don't! No! |
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Sammy'll think we've chickened. |
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Oh, fuck, Alistair! |
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Stay down! |
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We're off! |
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TV: 'You play golf? |
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'Did you watch me play?' Joe.'Didn't you do well!' |
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'I didn't do too badly. I shouldReally?!' |
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CANNED LAUGHTER |
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'Oh! I've scored already! |
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..123, 124... |
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Joe? ..125... |
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Come on, son. |
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I'm almost setting a record! 128, |
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129, 130, |
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131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137... |
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THEY BREATHE DEEPLY |
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RATTLING GROANS |
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PANICKED BREATHS |
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I've scored. Go! Go! |
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PAINED, GASPING BREATHS |
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TV BLARES |
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TV: 'They have a 14-month-old |
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GASPS CONTINUES |
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LAUGHTER COMES FROM TV |
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BREATHS SLOW |
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Let's go. |
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Hi, Alistair. Hiya. Enjoy |
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MUSIC: "Dyna-Mite" by Mud |
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# And the party turned insane |
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She called out her na-a-a-ame |
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# And then she walked in |
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# She said, "Now come along |
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# And the way she's moving |
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# Light you up |
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# ..She's got the whole town |
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# Nobody quite knowing what to do |
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# But they all know Dyna is dynamite |
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# And they're right... # |
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No! You stop it, Mummy!Why didn't you do something?! |
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You didn't do anything! |
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Stop it, Mummy! Stop it! |
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You could have stopped him |
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Please, Mummy! Stop it, Mummy, |
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Why didn't you? You killed him! |
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You killed him! NO! Ssh! |
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NO! NO! |
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..NO! |
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'Never knew why that picture |
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'and the other one. Don't know |
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'I mean...?' What the fuck? |
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Sorry, what did you say? What? |
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Did you not just say something? |
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Was I talking to myself? |
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It gets me a good seat. I've had |
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One on one. For fuck's sake. |
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I mean, for fuck's sake. |
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Would you turn back?Are you wanting me to turn back? |
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I'd love you for it. I think |
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I can take you back when I've gotI'd rather eat my two |
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INAUDIBLE |
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Jesus, I mean... |
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Do you want me to call them? |
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No, you go on. You do your job. |
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They said to get you there. |
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And what? And what? Well, I know |
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I mean did you say |
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You mean they mean I wouldn't |
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It's something like that. |
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No, you drive, you do your job. |
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Do you mind? I don't want you |
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I mean, Jesus, |
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HORN BLARES |
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So that last one you did, Alistair, |
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Kosovans. Kosovans.Aye, Albanian and Serb they are. |
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Aye, that's the one!That worked out quite nicely. |
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So, |
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They did, about six months ago now. |
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I was looking out for it.Actually, I didn't see it myself. |
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'Swanning around the world |
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'A ticket to paradise.' |
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For killing a man! I mean, where |
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40 years in the factory in Lurgan |
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He can make a living telling |
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how it feels to kill a man. |
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'Why should you get women in pastel |
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'giving you tea and buns and wine |
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'to be putting three bullets into my |
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Fuck! Jesus Christ! |
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Sorry! I'm sorry! I'm sorry! |
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You made me jump!What do you think it does to me? |
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I'm one fuck of a lot closer to me |
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So is this another one of your |
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No. Well, kind of. |
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It's a programme |
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My own, in fact. It's my own. |
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I'm to meet the brother |
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Is that where we're going now? Aye. |
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Have you not met him yet? No. |
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No, not since the day. |
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Well, did you ask for this? |
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That was never |
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I don't have the right |
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So did he call you or...? |
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No, the programme people, |
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Then me. |
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I said I'd be I'd be willing t-to, |
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If it's a meeting he wants I'd be |
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I'd do anything to... |
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You know, to... |
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Did you do time for it, Alistair?Aye. |
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There was no release date |
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You could have stopped him! |
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Why didn't you stop him?! |
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You could have stopped him! |
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Can you stop the car? |
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Can I get you anything? |
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You want some water? |
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'He was only a wee boy at the time, |
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And is it just the brother |
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Aye. |
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Aye... |
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It's... |
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His father died eight months later. |
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A heart attack. |
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A broken heart, the family said. |
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His brother, Daniel, |
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After that, his mother, she died. |
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It's what happens. |
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It's often what happens. |
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To the family, you know. |
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It's the part people |
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What happens after. |
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RADIO: 'Paddy Barnes |
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'with a bronze medal |
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'after losing in his semifinal bout |
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'against Chinese world champion, |
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'The defeat was comprehensive, |
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You OK? |
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Carry on? |
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Aye. |
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DRIVER CLEARS HIS THROAT |
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Is it good pay you get? |
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It's not bad. |
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Are you thinking of it? |
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It looks comfy. |
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Would I need a driving licence? |
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HE CHUCKLES |
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There's always |
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TRAFFIC NOISE FADES TO SILENCE |
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'She's been staring at me |
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'What it's like? |
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'Your mother blaming you |
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'Three bullets went into his head. |
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'Did you know another one |
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'It wasn't me |
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'and if it wasn't me who broke |
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'I didn't kill him |
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'It was you in the car |
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'and shooting three bullets |
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'making her grieve the way she did, |
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'Well, I'm the one |
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'I'm the one in the car now.' |
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I'm the one in the car now. |
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Is this it? This is it. |
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Yes, it's Paul here. |
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We're just coming in now. |
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..Yes, he is. |
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Right. |
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Jesus, will you look |
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Joe, hi! How are you? |
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Aye, good! Good. |
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You've made good time, well done!I was just sitting in the back. |
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This is David, Michael's assistant.Pleased to meet you. |
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Hi. Come on inside |
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It'll be grand. |
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Michael is this way, Mr Griffin. |
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HUBBUB |
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Mr Griffin is stepping |
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It's an interesting staircase. |
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I could move in here. |
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It's yours for one day, at any rate. |
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Come in and meet the crew. Aye. |
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Joe, you know Stephanie, don't you? |
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They didn't tell me you'd arrived. |
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Aye, you too.John, video technician. |
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Pleased to meet you. Hello.Martin, camera. Hello. |
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'Well, here you are, pal. |
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'Men in love with donkeys, twins |
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'elephant women who can't get |
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I know, it's all a bit, you know... |
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But they're all lovely people, |
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and they're very experienced |
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Fiona'll take you upstairs. Yeah. |
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OK, this way. |
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So, did you get that |
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When we last spoke on the phone, |
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Oh, aye. |
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Here we are. |
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Isn't it gorgeous? |
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Can I smoke? Um...yeah. |
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Over there on the balcony. |
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Now, what can I get you? Tea or |
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Yeah? Milk, sugar? |
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Aye, milk, two sugars. Thank you.No problem. |
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Joe... |
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How are you?Yeah, good. Aye, I'm good. |
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Thank you so much for coming.That's OK, aye. |
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How are you feeling?Aye, I'm OK. I'm OK, aye. |
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Everybody looking after you? Aye. |
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Good. I know it's going to be |
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But we will do everything we |
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it goes the way you want it to. |
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So, if there's anything you need, |
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anything you're worried about, |
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basically, we're here for you. |
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OK. So it's very important |
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that you let us know if things |
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Now, has Fiona taken you through |
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OK, good. |
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Just to briefly |
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Now, you've got time to settle down |
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Will you have someone |
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Then, at some point, a make-up girl |
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you know, on your face. |
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Sometimes the camera |
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So, she only needs a few minutes. |
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Then, when you're ready, |
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filming, up here. |
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And then, at around 12, |
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we can go downstairs and... |
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Aye. OK, good. |
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So, in terms of |
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it's important to remember, |
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where we are trying to get to |
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'Yes, I know, I know what you want. |
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'Shake his fucking hand |
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The last thing I want to do |
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But it's important for us to |
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Do you understand what I'm saying? |
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Aye. Aye, I understand.I know it's difficult. |
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Which is why |
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but I do want you |
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What I'm saying really is, |
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KNOCK ON DOOR |
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Michael? Yeah. |
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Sorry. Yeah, I'm coming. |
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And you know, we are all |
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I can't tell you how important |
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I think this is going to be |
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well, |
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This is the question |
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Truth and reconciliation. |
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What's at stake? |
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Is it possible? |
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That's it. Speech over. |
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'I can do handshakes, Michael! |
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'I can do handshake and victim |
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'But I've made a decision |
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'Reconciliation? |
| 00:35:39 |
'You have no idea.' |
| 00:35:41 |
A handshake? |
| 00:35:42 |
For killing my brother? |
| 00:35:46 |
33 years of that? |
| 00:35:48 |
What do you think I am, a joke? |
| 00:35:51 |
'If ever a man deserved |
| 00:36:02 |
'Truth and reconciliation?' |
| 00:36:06 |
'I'm going for revenge.' |
| 00:36:16 |
Oh, hi. I'm Vika. |
| 00:36:21 |
Your tea. Oh, aye. Thanks. |
| 00:36:23 |
I'm the runner. The runner? |
| 00:36:26 |
Do you mind |
| 00:36:30 |
Oh, no, no, no... |
| 00:36:31 |
No, no, of course you can! |
| 00:36:36 |
Here, have one of mine.It's OK, I... |
| 00:36:38 |
No, Jesus, come on! Thank you. |
| 00:36:45 |
Here. |
| 00:36:51 |
Thank you. |
| 00:36:53 |
You stay out here with me andThanks, but I... |
| 00:36:57 |
I'm the star of the show. |
| 00:36:59 |
I've come to look after you |
| 00:37:02 |
Everyone's looking after me! They're |
| 00:37:09 |
You're a what? A runner?Yeah, it means I run around |
| 00:37:14 |
A dogsbody, then! A dogsbody? |
| 00:37:16 |
No, no! Runner's better - |
| 00:37:35 |
Young Fiona here visited me |
| 00:37:38 |
said she was a researcher |
| 00:37:41 |
She was all posh and lovely, her |
| 00:37:45 |
and the weather's |
| 00:37:47 |
and every time she turns, |
| 00:37:49 |
Would she smile at me |
| 00:37:53 |
She'd call the police. |
| 00:37:54 |
Ah! Fuck, I would! So, anyway, |
| 00:37:59 |
And now look |
| 00:38:06 |
Maybe it's a good thing |
| 00:38:14 |
Where are you from? |
| 00:38:15 |
Vladivostok. |
| 00:38:17 |
Vladivostok AND Belfast? |
| 00:38:21 |
I like it here. |
| 00:38:23 |
I like you here too. I like you! |
| 00:38:25 |
So, she was sitting in my kitchen, |
| 00:38:27 |
this is an important programme |
| 00:38:29 |
about men who have become the man |
| 00:38:31 |
that you have become, |
| 00:38:34 |
Then she said it's more about |
| 00:38:36 |
"That's what excites us all |
| 00:38:39 |
She had the light in her eyes, |
| 00:38:41 |
"It's about healing", she said. |
| 00:38:44 |
"What is that?" I said. |
| 00:38:47 |
"No", she said, smiling. |
| 00:38:49 |
We want you to meet the man who |
| 00:38:56 |
I don't know. The thing is, it isn't |
| 00:39:01 |
and I wasn't really listening |
| 00:39:04 |
It's just that... |
| 00:39:07 |
she showed me a little kindness. |
| 00:39:11 |
Well, I'm sure... |
| 00:39:14 |
I fucking hate kindness. |
| 00:39:16 |
I let it in then, but never again. |
| 00:39:25 |
The trouble with me is, |
| 00:39:30 |
But him? Oh, his feelings? |
| 00:39:32 |
They are just right, just perfect! |
| 00:39:34 |
He did it in cold blood, but now |
| 00:39:37 |
"What is it like to kill a man," |
| 00:39:41 |
And off he goes again, telling |
| 00:39:44 |
But hats off to him, |
| 00:39:46 |
He knows they all love |
| 00:39:51 |
Is there someone with him? Oh, yes.Yes. That's important, you know? |
| 00:39:55 |
Whatever he tells you |
| 00:39:57 |
he's going to be very angry. |
| 00:40:00 |
That anger could go in any direction. |
| 00:40:03 |
You have to be prepared |
| 00:40:05 |
We're not performing monkeys. No. |
| 00:40:07 |
I realise |
| 00:40:09 |
but what's happening to him |
| 00:40:11 |
Yes, absolutely. You have to make |
| 00:40:15 |
"Listen to him", they will say, |
| 00:40:20 |
"Do this gig well here |
| 00:40:24 |
"I can talk about that day then and |
| 00:40:27 |
"how I came face to face |
| 00:40:29 |
"and how it was |
| 00:40:33 |
"and how listening to me is |
| 00:40:36 |
"And with their cheques |
| 00:40:39 |
"and I will heal them with my words, |
| 00:40:41 |
"I won't have to work in a fucking |
| 00:40:44 |
So! |
| 00:40:47 |
The man shot my brother |
| 00:40:49 |
The man is having the life of Riley. |
| 00:40:52 |
Do I shake his hand |
| 00:41:00 |
Well, killing him |
| 00:41:02 |
For sure of that! But it wouldn't |
| 00:41:07 |
Oh, not good for me? |
| 00:41:12 |
My five minutes of heaven? |
| 00:41:15 |
How would that be not good for me? |
| 00:41:17 |
KNOCK ON DOOR |
| 00:41:20 |
Joe, hi! Everything OK? |
| 00:41:22 |
They're just doing |
| 00:41:26 |
Can Cathy come in and do a wee bit |
| 00:41:29 |
Aye. OK, aye. Hi, Joe. |
| 00:41:31 |
I'm Cathy. How are you, all right? |
| 00:41:33 |
Good, aye. I'm good. Lovely! |
| 00:41:35 |
I just want to sit you down here. |
| 00:41:38 |
There we go. |
| 00:41:41 |
That's lovely. |
| 00:41:44 |
Now, this is just |
| 00:41:47 |
Fuck, am I shining? |
| 00:41:48 |
OK, Alistair, the camera's running, |
| 00:41:57 |
In order for me... |
| 00:42:00 |
In order for me to talk about |
| 00:42:05 |
I was 14 when I joined |
| 00:42:07 |
and I was 15 when I joined the UVF, |
| 00:42:13 |
The situation at that time, |
| 00:42:16 |
BANGING IN BACKGROUND |
| 00:42:17 |
Cut there. Sorry, that's very good |
| 00:42:20 |
That's really good. |
| 00:42:23 |
OK? OK, we're good to go again. |
| 00:42:27 |
Running up.And in your own time, Alistair. |
| 00:42:37 |
For me to talk about the man |
| 00:42:43 |
I was 14 |
| 00:42:45 |
and I was 15 when I joined the UVF. |
| 00:42:49 |
At that time, don't forget, there |
| 00:42:53 |
petrol bombs every day. |
| 00:42:54 |
And that was just in our town. |
| 00:42:56 |
When you got home |
| 00:42:58 |
you could see it was happening |
| 00:43:01 |
and it was like we were under siege. |
| 00:43:03 |
Fathers and brothers of friends |
| 00:43:07 |
and the feeling was, |
| 00:43:10 |
We're all in this together |
| 00:43:14 |
The thing you have to remember, |
| 00:43:17 |
what you have to understand, |
| 00:43:20 |
Once you have signed up to terror |
| 00:43:25 |
the group, |
| 00:43:28 |
It becomes only our story |
| 00:43:30 |
Not their story, |
| 00:43:33 |
It's only my people that are being |
| 00:43:36 |
and who need looking after. |
| 00:43:38 |
Catholics being killed |
| 00:43:40 |
And so when I went up to Sammy, |
| 00:43:45 |
and told him |
| 00:43:48 |
it wasn't a wrong thing |
| 00:43:50 |
In my head, it was the proper, the |
| 00:43:56 |
And so it was easy. |
| 00:43:59 |
When I got to the house, |
| 00:44:02 |
I didn't expect him to be there, |
| 00:44:06 |
I only looked at him for a moment |
| 00:44:09 |
But if I had known |
| 00:44:12 |
I would have shot him as well. |
| 00:44:15 |
It was in the mindset. |
| 00:44:17 |
It was tit for tat |
| 00:44:23 |
That's what it was like. |
| 00:44:25 |
I was only 17. |
| 00:44:28 |
I had seen my people fighting |
| 00:44:31 |
You take sides |
| 00:44:34 |
but we weren't just throwing stones |
| 00:44:36 |
we were shooting guns. |
| 00:44:38 |
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT |
| 00:44:40 |
What I want to tell people, |
| 00:44:43 |
is to stop people getting to the |
| 00:44:47 |
Because when you get to that point, |
| 00:44:49 |
No-one's going to stop you. |
| 00:44:53 |
And once you're in, |
| 00:44:56 |
You will kill anyone on the other |
| 00:45:01 |
Once your man has joined the group, |
| 00:45:04 |
And what he needs to hear |
| 00:45:06 |
are voices on his own side |
| 00:45:12 |
There were no voices on my side. |
| 00:45:16 |
Not on my estate. |
| 00:45:18 |
No-one was telling me anything |
| 00:45:22 |
It was only in prison |
| 00:45:26 |
And the Muslims now, you know, |
| 00:45:30 |
They need to hear those voices now, |
| 00:45:32 |
stopping them from thinking |
| 00:45:34 |
They need their own people |
| 00:45:36 |
That's where they need to hear it. |
| 00:45:38 |
That's where I would put my money, |
| 00:45:40 |
on making those voices heard |
| 00:45:43 |
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT |
| 00:45:47 |
When I got home, my mother |
| 00:45:50 |
and it came on the news |
| 00:45:54 |
I was so excited |
| 00:45:56 |
for when I would get |
| 00:45:59 |
Sammy was going to come |
| 00:46:01 |
He was going to lead me out |
| 00:46:04 |
and proudly walk me into the bar |
| 00:46:07 |
and everybody was going to stand up |
| 00:46:11 |
I would have shot anyone for that. |
| 00:46:14 |
And that is why I talk to anybody |
| 00:46:17 |
to tell them to stop boys |
| 00:46:20 |
that to shoot an innocent |
| 00:46:32 |
Alistair, when he comes into |
| 00:46:38 |
Well, what I have to do |
| 00:46:42 |
That is the most difficult |
| 00:46:46 |
is to be honest with him. |
| 00:46:50 |
Cut. |
| 00:46:52 |
Good. |
| 00:46:55 |
Fantastic. |
| 00:47:04 |
Thank you. That was perfect. Yeah. |
| 00:47:06 |
Once he's in the room with you, |
| 00:47:10 |
I mean, is it likely |
| 00:47:15 |
Michael, Michael... |
| 00:47:17 |
He doesn't want to hear me say |
| 00:47:21 |
Reconciliation is not on the agenda. |
| 00:47:23 |
That's not what he needs. |
| 00:47:24 |
He has come here and I have come here |
| 00:48:09 |
Hiya, Joe. Ah, here he is. |
| 00:48:12 |
I wondered if I could sort you out |
| 00:48:15 |
Where are you putting that?How are we doing? Ready to go? |
| 00:48:18 |
I just need to clip this on here. |
| 00:48:20 |
How are you feeling? Aye, OK. |
| 00:48:22 |
What about if I put it in here? |
| 00:48:25 |
Thank you. You sure? |
| 00:48:27 |
Aye, OK.Just need to clip this on here. |
| 00:48:32 |
All right, that's it. OK. Good. |
| 00:48:36 |
What we're gonna do now, we are |
| 00:48:39 |
Now, the cameraman will be filming |
| 00:48:42 |
SPEECH BECOMES MUFFLED |
| 00:48:44 |
RAGGED BREATHING |
| 00:48:47 |
..Joe? |
| 00:48:50 |
Yeah, Joe? |
| 00:48:51 |
Going downstairs, aye. |
| 00:48:53 |
Now, when you open the door |
| 00:48:55 |
make sure you open the door wide |
| 00:49:00 |
OK? Aye. |
| 00:49:02 |
What the cameraman |
| 00:49:05 |
and somebody else'll be |
| 00:49:08 |
Aye. Clear? Aye. |
| 00:49:11 |
Sure? Aye, I'm sure. OK. |
| 00:49:29 |
OK, here you are. |
| 00:49:35 |
OK, we're ready. ..OK. |
| 00:49:38 |
'Quiet please! Running up. |
| 00:49:46 |
'Joe, whenever you're ready.' |
| 00:50:00 |
EXHALES DEEPLY |
| 00:50:22 |
RAGGED BREATHING |
| 00:50:40 |
Shit! Cut! What?Sorry, I nearly fell there. |
| 00:50:43 |
Sorry, Joe. These things happen. I'm |
| 00:50:47 |
Would you mind |
| 00:50:49 |
the walk down the stairsAye, OK. |
| 00:50:54 |
Sorry, Joe. Thank you. |
| 00:51:00 |
OK, guys, let's rehearse our moves |
| 00:51:03 |
Then we'll go again. |
| 00:51:11 |
Can I get a drink of water, please? |
| 00:51:13 |
..Oh, yeah. |
| 00:51:24 |
Stay with him. |
| 00:51:30 |
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES |
| 00:51:45 |
So, you're still looking after me, |
| 00:51:50 |
I just want to say... |
| 00:51:54 |
But he seems a nice man. Who does? |
| 00:51:57 |
Mr Little. |
| 00:52:02 |
Have you met him? Yes. |
| 00:52:03 |
Where? In Belfast. |
| 00:52:07 |
I didn't know that.Yes, I was delivering something. |
| 00:52:11 |
To his home? Yes. |
| 00:52:12 |
Did you go in? Yes. |
| 00:52:14 |
Where was that? City centre... |
| 00:52:17 |
um... |
| 00:52:19 |
..beside the motorway. |
| 00:52:21 |
It's a flat, then, is it?Yes, a flat. |
| 00:52:24 |
So, he let you in, did he?I didn't stay long, I... |
| 00:52:28 |
What was it like? |
| 00:52:29 |
His flat? What was it like? |
| 00:52:31 |
It was like...cold. |
| 00:52:35 |
Empty. Empty? |
| 00:52:38 |
Like not a home. |
| 00:52:40 |
Not a happy place. |
| 00:52:43 |
Was it? |
| 00:52:44 |
I didn't like it. |
| 00:52:46 |
Is he on his own, then? |
| 00:52:48 |
Yes. Is he? But you liked him? |
| 00:52:51 |
Yes. |
| 00:52:53 |
What did you talk about? |
| 00:52:55 |
About this. |
| 00:52:57 |
This meeting. What did he say? |
| 00:52:59 |
Well, he was worried about it.Oh, I bet he was! |
| 00:53:02 |
He was worried for you. |
| 00:53:04 |
DOOR OPENS |
| 00:53:06 |
Joe, ready whenever you are. OK. |
| 00:53:09 |
What do you...? |
| 00:53:11 |
Will you let me finish my ciggie? |
| 00:53:15 |
Aye, yeah, sure... Fine. |
| 00:53:20 |
Worried for me? What do you mean, |
| 00:53:23 |
That... He said he thought |
| 00:53:26 |
He said that, did he? |
| 00:53:28 |
Yes, difficult for you. |
| 00:53:33 |
Did he? |
| 00:53:37 |
What about him? |
| 00:53:40 |
He didn't talk about himself. |
| 00:53:43 |
But he seems very sad. |
| 00:53:46 |
Sad? |
| 00:53:51 |
I don't know, but... |
| 00:53:53 |
I don't know him really, |
| 00:53:58 |
Like he couldn't forgive himself |
| 00:54:01 |
There's an expression |
| 00:54:05 |
..a broken man. |
| 00:54:10 |
A broken man. |
| 00:54:15 |
So, it's good... |
| 00:54:19 |
I think. |
| 00:54:22 |
Fuck! |
| 00:54:24 |
DOOR OPENS |
| 00:54:26 |
Ready when you are, Joe. |
| 00:54:28 |
OK? |
| 00:54:30 |
Ready when you are. |
| 00:54:35 |
Aye. |
| 00:54:38 |
I need an end to this. |
| 00:54:46 |
Everything OK? |
| 00:54:48 |
Joe? |
| 00:54:50 |
Everything OK? |
| 00:54:53 |
Aye. |
| 00:54:54 |
You ready? |
| 00:54:55 |
Aye. |
| 00:54:57 |
Joe, just a wee bit more here. |
| 00:55:01 |
There you go. |
| 00:55:04 |
Great. |
| 00:55:22 |
'Quiet, please! |
| 00:55:24 |
'Running up. |
| 00:55:26 |
'OK, Joe, ready when you are. |
| 00:55:28 |
'Joe, whenever you're ready.' |
| 00:56:16 |
RAGGED BREATHING |
| 00:56:35 |
MUFFLED: Joe? |
| 00:56:39 |
Are you all right? |
| 00:56:41 |
Do you want to sit down? |
| 00:56:42 |
MUFFLED SPEECH STOPS |
| 00:56:45 |
I know, it takes some getting usedYou'll have to take it away. |
| 00:56:49 |
Well, the thing about that...The thing is nothing! |
| 00:56:52 |
Why don't we go |
| 00:56:54 |
I don't want the camera in my face |
| 00:56:58 |
We did agree...I don't care what we agreed to. |
| 00:57:01 |
I hear what you're saying, |
| 00:57:03 |
Would you like to speakStephanie? |
| 00:57:06 |
They're going to be setting up, |
| 00:57:07 |
so why don't we take a few moments |
| 00:57:11 |
I've been upstairs |
| 00:57:14 |
I will meet him! I want to meet him! |
| 00:57:17 |
I understand that, Joe, |
| 00:57:19 |
Joe, what we can't do is... No! |
| 00:57:26 |
Joe! |
| 00:57:38 |
INDISTINCT SPEECH |
| 00:58:08 |
33 years that boy has been living |
| 00:58:14 |
staring at me, looking up at me, |
| 00:58:23 |
Never leaving. |
| 00:58:25 |
Every morning waiting for me, |
| 00:58:28 |
and I know |
| 00:58:40 |
I don't know what to do any more. |
| 00:58:44 |
How to deal with this. |
| 00:58:48 |
I feel I've come to the end |
| 00:58:58 |
'Time will heal, they say.' |
| 00:59:02 |
What everyone says about everything. |
| 00:59:06 |
The years just get heavier. |
| 00:59:07 |
Why don't they tell you that? |
| 00:59:23 |
FOOTSTEPS APPROACH |
| 00:59:34 |
Can I get you anything? |
| 00:59:36 |
Why do YOU think he didn't come in? |
| 00:59:41 |
Too frightened? |
| 00:59:43 |
You think |
| 00:59:48 |
I think he wanted to kill you. |
| 00:59:57 |
MUFFLED VOICE OVER EARPIECE |
| 01:01:35 |
Guilty if I laugh. |
| 01:01:36 |
Guilty if I drink. |
| 01:01:39 |
Guilty if I forget. |
| 01:01:43 |
How to get through a day. |
| 01:01:48 |
What to do in it. |
| 01:01:52 |
I wake up, I go out. |
| 01:01:56 |
But where to go? |
| 01:02:01 |
He's always there. |
| 01:02:03 |
In my head. |
| 01:02:08 |
And I don't know where to go. |
| 01:02:13 |
Where to put yourself after it all. |
| 01:02:17 |
It's the same for everyone. |
| 01:02:20 |
'Some of us have found an answer. |
| 01:02:22 |
'He's killed a few Catholics in his |
| 01:02:28 |
'Some protection thing |
| 01:02:32 |
'Released after |
| 01:02:36 |
'still living it, |
| 01:02:38 |
'with his mates watching his back, |
| 01:02:40 |
'breathing in |
| 01:02:44 |
'If I had gone with him then, |
| 01:02:48 |
'That's all I had to do, |
| 01:02:52 |
I know that isn't my answer, |
| 01:02:55 |
but what is my answer, you know? |
| 01:02:59 |
'I sit in meeting rooms |
| 01:03:01 |
'and I help men to live with |
| 01:03:04 |
'a child, a stranger, a neighbour, |
| 01:03:07 |
'how to live with that act |
| 01:03:10 |
'always there inside us. |
| 01:03:13 |
'But I can't help myself. |
| 01:03:15 |
'Sometimes I feel that this preacher |
| 01:03:19 |
'so that I can cheat my way |
| 01:03:23 |
KETTLE WHISTLES |
| 01:04:30 |
'The next stop is Lurgan.' |
| 01:05:23 |
Tommy! |
| 01:05:29 |
Boys. |
| 01:05:34 |
How's things? Aye, OK. |
| 01:05:36 |
Tommy! |
| 01:05:38 |
It's a surprise to see you in here. |
| 01:05:40 |
Would you mind getting this |
| 01:05:43 |
How's Tommy? OK. |
| 01:05:46 |
Aye. |
| 01:05:48 |
Is he expecting it? No. |
| 01:05:52 |
He might not take it, |
| 01:05:55 |
I would appreciate that. |
| 01:05:58 |
Thanks. |
| 01:06:27 |
Black tea, please, love. |
| 01:06:59 |
WHIRRING |
| 01:07:26 |
Hi, Liam. |
| 01:07:28 |
Who's this from? Sean. |
| 01:07:32 |
What is it? |
| 01:07:34 |
A letter. |
| 01:07:38 |
Can I go now? |
| 01:07:45 |
What did you say? Can I go now? |
| 01:07:55 |
Are you taking the girls, Joe? |
| 01:07:58 |
The girls? Marion's. |
| 01:08:00 |
You said you would. Marion's. |
| 01:08:02 |
Oh, aye. Aye, I'm taking them. |
| 01:08:04 |
They're ready now. |
| 01:08:07 |
What is it? What's the matter?Little's come back. |
| 01:08:11 |
He's wanting to meet with me.You're not going to meet him. |
| 01:08:13 |
You're not to be calling him! |
| 01:08:18 |
I should have had himWhy don't I get |
| 01:08:22 |
You will fucking do nothing!You're not going to see him! |
| 01:08:25 |
Joe! |
| 01:08:30 |
Joe! |
| 01:09:07 |
MOBILE PHONE BEEPS |
| 01:10:22 |
Joe? |
| 01:11:21 |
Joe? |
| 01:12:53 |
JOE SCREAMS IN PAIN |
| 01:12:56 |
Come on, man! |
| 01:13:04 |
Fuck you! |
| 01:13:10 |
Enough... |
| 01:13:12 |
Enough. |
| 01:14:20 |
ALISTAIR GROANS SOFTLY |
| 01:15:03 |
I'm going to Belfast |
| 01:15:06 |
so I'm going to tell you |
| 01:15:12 |
We were told that a Protestant |
| 01:15:17 |
and if he didn't leave the yard, |
| 01:15:20 |
I asked who the Catholics were |
| 01:15:24 |
Somebody said Jim Griffin. |
| 01:15:26 |
I said, "Tell him if he |
| 01:15:31 |
I knew he was leaving anyway, |
| 01:15:39 |
It was my decision. I was up |
| 01:15:46 |
I wanted...to be someone. |
| 01:15:51 |
I wanted to... |
| 01:15:55 |
Walk in ten foot tall |
| 01:15:56 |
and hear the applause from the only |
| 01:16:00 |
And I heard it. And it was good. |
| 01:16:06 |
Get rid of me, Joe... |
| 01:16:08 |
so that when you wake up |
| 01:16:10 |
it's not me's in your head, |
| 01:16:14 |
Don't give them me. |
| 01:16:16 |
Go home and tell them |
| 01:16:19 |
That I'm gone, forever. |
| 01:16:21 |
I'm nothing. |
| 01:16:23 |
Nothing. |
| 01:16:27 |
Go home and tell them that |
| 01:17:49 |
TV: 'We did everything together. |
| 01:17:51 |
'I don't know what is was, |
| 01:17:55 |
'Alan was great. |
| 01:17:57 |
'He liked me for who I was. |
| 01:17:59 |
'And he didn't care |
| 01:18:01 |
'Alan had no sense of smell. |
| 01:18:08 |
'Alan was my best friend. |
| 01:18:10 |
'Alan was my only friend.' |
| 01:18:15 |
'But every day was a constant |
| 01:18:17 |
'And every day, I tried to avoid... |
| 01:18:21 |
'Damian. |
| 01:18:23 |
'Look who it isn't. |
| 01:18:24 |
'Patrick Smash. |
| 01:18:26 |
'What you doing in my corner |
| 01:18:28 |
'You ain't nothing but a big, |
| 01:18:38 |
I haven't done |
| 01:18:41 |
Or talked, or... |
| 01:18:46 |
So... |
| 01:18:51 |
I don't know what to say |
| 01:18:56 |
I don't know the words, |
| 01:19:05 |
I bought some sandals |
| 01:19:07 |
They were all sitting in a circle, |
| 01:19:15 |
Then I remembered it was a comedy. |
| 01:19:24 |
But I got here eventually, |
| 01:19:39 |
I want my daughters...to have a da |
| 01:19:48 |
That's it. |
| 01:19:52 |
That's it. |
| 01:19:55 |
Well, that's it. |
| 01:20:00 |
That's out. |
| 01:20:03 |
That's out. |
| 01:20:04 |
HE SOBS |
| 01:20:07 |
That's out. |
| 01:20:28 |
That's out. |
| 01:20:33 |
HORNS BLARE |
| 01:20:42 |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS |
| 01:20:46 |
'Alistair Little?' Yeah? |
| 01:20:48 |
'It's Joe Griffin. |
| 01:20:50 |
'We're finished.' |
| 01:20:52 |
DIALLING TONE |
