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00:00:23	All we can do is try to publicize the facts.
00:00:26	Not what the government is saying,
00:00:29	And not simply parrot or regurgitate...
00:00:33	what the government's saying,
00:00:41	lt was the dead of winter.
00:00:43	l don't remember it ever being so cold.
00:00:46	And we were on a mission.
00:00:48	A bunch of us had volunteered
00:00:52	the Schuylkill Federal Prison
00:00:56	He called himself Phiber Optik.
00:00:58	You'd have to look hard to find someone
00:01:04	Before we left, we had a night of fun...
00:01:06	in the streets of Philadelphia,
00:01:10	Phiber learned by exploring.
00:01:12	He was never too busy to explain...
00:01:13	howthings worked to anyone interested.
00:01:15	l think that's what pissed of
00:01:18	They never tried to prove that
00:01:22	They got him for conspiracy...
00:01:23	for talking on a tapped phone line...
00:01:25	about howto hack certain sites.
00:01:27	There were people who broke into systems...
00:01:29	and fucked things up,
00:01:32	The feds didn't care.
00:01:33	They wanted to shut down the teachers,
00:01:38	There's Bernie S.
00:01:39	He's another guy who loves to explain...
00:01:41	howtechnology works
00:01:44	He didn't know it, but hell
00:01:49	We made one last stop
00:01:51	lt was a town called Frackville.
00:01:53	We thought it was funny because
00:01:56	We thought it'd make a good picture
00:01:59	But Bernie had the balls
00:02:01	to pose with Phiber.
00:02:03	These guys had no clue
00:02:05	but they quickly got into the spirit.
00:02:11	lt was the last time we laughed that night.
00:02:15	We drove to the prison.
00:02:17	lt felt like it was 20 degrees below zero.
00:02:19	We didn't know
00:02:21	for the entire weekend.
00:02:25	And like the gullible idiots we were...
00:02:28	we figured we'd have a chance
00:02:31	We didn't.
00:02:34	They grabbed him.
00:02:35	And we had to run out of there
00:02:45	Phiber came home 10 months later, a hero.
00:02:47	Everyone knew
00:02:49	was a big mistake.
00:02:51	After it was over, we were pretty sure
00:02:56	Were we ever wrong.
00:03:23	Bad boys gone to jail
00:03:27	Bad boys gone to jail
00:03:31	Look at you, boy, you've come of age
00:03:35	and now you're going around
00:03:39	You say that you'll never go to jail
00:03:43	'Cause you're so bad and you cannot fail
00:03:47	Oh bad boy
00:03:51	Oh bad boy
00:03:55	Oh bad boy
00:04:00	Gots to believe me one time
00:04:03	You went to town just to fool around
00:04:07	You met a girl who was wearing a frown
00:04:11	You going around, boasting, feeling bad
00:04:15	Now you're sitting in jail
00:04:17	don't you feel so sad
00:04:19	This is like the crudest form
00:04:24	1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
00:04:33	l just saw something.
00:04:36	Was that you? Well, we can see your hand.
00:04:39	l doubt you can stick your whole head
00:04:42	Splotch your face up against the window
00:04:44	We'll know it's the right one,
00:04:47	We'll know it's the right one,
00:04:48	Kevin Mitnick, the world's most dangerous
00:04:53	My regret about Cyberpunk
00:04:56	and how he was always eating
00:05:00	People have really gotten on my case
00:05:03	Some guy came up to me
00:05:07	''Why did you go on and on
00:05:09	And he was right.
00:05:11	l did that to the point
00:05:16	Where it was sort of...
00:05:19	just beating an issue
00:05:21	For a period
00:05:24	and released into a halfway house...
00:05:26	l couldn't find a single article...
00:05:27	that talked about him
00:05:32	And the real fascination with Kevin's body...
00:05:35	and its relationship to technology..
00:05:37	is one of the things
00:05:40	l found a number of articles in Time,
00:05:44	written by people like Markoff
00:05:48	And they would say
00:05:50	where he no longer touched a computer,
00:05:55	As if those two things were connected.
00:05:57	1988, USA Today...
00:06:00	put his picture on the front page...
00:06:02	morphed or superimposed
00:06:06	And l thought this is
00:06:10	and it's really picking up on the idea
00:06:13	lf ever there was someone
00:06:17	The mention of his name was enough
00:06:20	Over the years, his reputation grew
00:06:24	ln numerous articles, Kevin was said to have
00:06:28	harassed actress Kristy McNichol...
00:06:30	and turned his friends'
00:06:34	His beginning was on ham radio.
00:06:37	And on ham radio,
00:06:41	A couple of dozen people at the most
00:06:47	And, you know,
00:06:51	And, of course,
00:06:53	''Let's challenge him, let's do this and that.''
00:06:55	When he met their challenges,
00:06:59	as if they were innocentvictims of Kevin's.
00:07:02	This has been the case throughout.
00:07:04	And then people
00:07:08	other contacts that they had.
00:07:09	ln one case there was a lieutenant
00:07:16	One ham radio operator
00:07:18	got him to write a letter saying Kevin
00:07:23	And all sorts of crazy things in his past.
00:07:25	Cyberpunk was published in 1991...
00:07:25	Cyberpunk was published in 1991...
00:07:28	by Katie Hafner
00:07:30	and relied almost entirely
00:07:33	who Kevin had had a falling out with...
00:07:35	as well as those who didn't know him at all.
00:07:38	Hafner and Markoff never talked to Kevin,
00:07:42	But it didn't take much to dispel the rumors.
00:07:44	NORAD denied any break-ins...
00:07:47	Kristy McNichol had no idea
00:07:49	and no evidence ever surfaced
00:07:53	But none of this ever got printed.
00:07:55	Kevin's name was enough to convict him,
00:08:00	And then there was Security Pacific.
00:08:02	After being hired,
00:08:05	because of the stories that followed him.
00:08:07	And this resulted in
00:08:11	There was a Newswire article coming out
00:08:15	that Security Pacific
00:08:19	in bad loans...
00:08:21	which would have affected their stock price.
00:08:23	That was actually tracked down
00:08:26	that someone made
00:08:28	lt had nothing to do with it not being true...
00:08:31	but it was an error that someone made
00:08:34	lmmediately, because there were
00:08:39	that knew Kevin Mitnick,
00:08:42	immediately that was attributed to,
00:08:46	And that's howthat rumor spread.
00:08:49	l'd seen this all before.
00:08:50	Hackers were always getting blamed
00:08:53	ln many cases
00:08:56	lt was obvious
00:08:59	somebody who would command respect.
00:09:02	Hackers break into government
00:09:05	stealing and destroying information...
00:09:06	raiding bank accounts,
00:09:09	extorting money by threats
00:09:14	Whoa, hold on a second.
00:09:16	What was this guy reading?
00:09:18	Hackers don't steal and extort,
00:09:22	Like those Simplex locks
00:09:24	ln typical corporate brainpower...
00:09:26	FedEx uses the same combination
00:09:29	lt's fun to stick something
00:09:32	that couldn't possibly fit in the chute
00:09:35	And he got some cheap beer out of it too.
00:09:38	lf you go somewhere
00:09:40	and bring something back to show people...
00:09:43	that always struck me
00:09:47	And you know, panty raids are really...
00:09:50	in the grandest tradition of this country
00:09:53	Try to make your way in there...
00:09:55	get the stuff, and get back out with it
00:09:59	What we're doing here is we're talking...
00:10:02	on McDonald's external speaker
00:10:06	And what we're doing to do that...
00:10:08	is we have a modified ham radio...
00:10:11	meaning it transmits on frequencies
00:10:16	ln this case,
00:10:22	154.6 megahertz seems to be
00:10:28	l'll take your order.
00:10:29	The blonde, would you please
00:10:32	Could one of you take off your tops?
00:10:36	You bastards, you better stop being smart.
00:10:38	-Here comes the manager.
00:10:47	While corporateAmerica
00:10:50	it was mostly about fun and exploration,
00:10:54	But try telling that to corporateAmerica.
00:10:57	Kevin Mitnick had already paid
00:11:00	He had served a year-and-a-half in 1988...
00:11:02	for logging into DEC computers
00:11:05	By simply looking
00:11:07	DEC claimed he caused
00:11:10	and was sentenced as if he had caused
00:11:13	He was held without bail and was put
00:11:13	He was held without bail and was put
00:11:17	because they thought he could do
00:11:20	After his sentence, Kevin served
00:11:24	reporting to authorities every month...
00:11:26	and being restricted in where he could go
00:11:29	He only had days to go
00:11:32	he had violated the terms
00:11:34	by associating with Lewis DePayne...
00:11:36	and accessing someone's voice mail
00:11:39	lt was nothing.
00:11:41	But it was enough.
00:11:42	Knowing howthe media
00:11:44	would crucify him over any offense...
00:11:46	because he could start World War lll
00:11:49	Kevin decided to just walk away.
00:11:52	l was devastated.
00:11:54	We were never far away from each other.
00:11:58	And how was he living on his own...
00:12:01	without his family to share things with?
00:12:06	lt was horrible.
00:12:08	What kind of a life is this?
00:12:09	He is not streetwise.
00:12:13	He's a home person.
00:12:15	Kevin managed to avoid attention.
00:12:18	Then, on July 4, 1994, everything changed.
00:12:21	A front page story in the NewYork Times...
00:12:24	turned Kevin Mitnick into a household word
00:12:28	The evil-looking picture...
00:12:29	the mythical stories
00:12:32	and controlling all the telephones
00:12:34	even the Security Pacific news release tale
00:12:39	Nobody could figure out howthe story
00:12:43	since there was nothing new in the story
00:12:46	But the author was no stranger.
00:12:49	who was quickly becoming a Mitnick expert
00:12:53	We looked at the story
00:12:56	We were planning the first Hackers On
00:13:00	The story had gotten so big that
00:13:05	They came here to the Hotel Pennsylvania
00:13:08	These usually anonymous creatures
00:13:11	better known as hackers,
00:13:13	Throughout that weekend,
00:13:16	We all wished he could be there.
00:13:18	But we knew why he was running.
00:13:20	One of the things Markoff
00:13:23	was the eight months
00:13:25	The guy was in solitary confinement
00:13:31	Think about it.
00:13:32	l mean, that would definitely change a man.
00:13:35	You would run.You wouldn't want that.
00:13:37	lt was eight months, not for anything he did,
00:13:42	And if you get someone
00:13:44	of actually what he can do
00:13:48	lf you have someone
00:13:50	to put you in solitary confinement
00:13:53	lt makes perfect sense to me.
00:13:54	l think it's part hype...
00:13:56	part hysteria, part lack of understanding...
00:14:01	and part fear.
00:14:03	Solitary confinement means no books...
00:14:06	no pencil, no paper, no company.
00:14:09	Nothing to do...
00:14:11	but stare at these small four walls.
00:14:14	He would get out one hour a day..
00:14:18	and that's it.
00:14:19	You know, he might whistle up
00:14:22	That's a big problem
00:14:24	They get a little pissed off
00:14:28	The fear factor is just insane.
00:14:30	Once or twice or maybe more,
00:14:33	they didn't even bring him down
00:14:37	They took my daughter and l...
00:14:39	upstairs to a floor...
00:14:42	that wasn't occupied at that time.
00:14:45	We were the only ones there and the guard.
00:14:47	They were hovering over him...
00:14:49	as though he was an absolute monster
00:14:53	What could he possibly do, you know?
00:14:58	Could he make...
00:15:01	a computer out of the telephone?
00:15:05	l don't know what they were afraid of!
00:15:07	First of all, he had no desire to.
00:15:10	Secondly, it wouldn't have
00:15:13	Thirdly, he couldn't do it.
00:15:16	Kevin managed to elude the authorities
00:15:19	Then, on February 15, 1995...
00:15:22	they found him in Raleigh, North Carolina.
00:15:25	The FBl's most-wanted computer hacker
00:15:29	Kevin Mitnick was jailed without bond
00:15:32	where he was arrested this week.
00:15:34	He's accused of breaking into
00:15:38	Private computer experts say
00:15:42	that privacy is virtually impossible.
00:15:45	The FBl had managed to track Kevin...
00:15:47	with the help of a mysterious
00:15:50	who, along with some friends
00:15:53	Kevin's cellular phone signal
00:15:56	One of Shimomura's friends who was there
00:16:00	was none other than John Markoff...
00:16:02	who wrote an even bigger
00:16:05	Sure enough, l opened the door,
00:16:08	to the hotel room,
00:16:12	And l picked it up and l just thought,
00:16:16	This article had a new list of things
00:16:20	including breaking into
00:16:23	leaving nasty voice mail messages...
00:16:25	and stealing 20,000 credit card numbers...
00:16:28	something that was mentioned
00:16:32	But 13 paragraphs later, on Page D17...
00:16:36	it was revealed that he had never used
00:16:38	They were credit card numbers
00:16:41	by lnternet Service Provider Netcom
00:16:45	Netcom credit card file,
00:16:48	lf you didn't have that file, you were a loser.
00:16:50	Hundreds of people had that,
00:16:54	And then they claim that he's the one
00:16:58	when that was floating around for months
00:17:02	Everybody and his sister's
00:17:04	What's the big deal?
00:17:09	What l want to know...
00:17:12	is did he threaten anybody in any way?
00:17:14	Did he claim he was going to do
00:17:17	Are there any notebooks
00:17:21	to conspire to commit any particular thing...
00:17:25	other than humiliating
00:17:28	which any idiot who's ever met Shimomura
00:17:31	this was not the guy to mess with.
00:17:34	l met Shimomura once.
00:17:35	The first time l met Shimomura
00:17:38	And l was testifying
00:17:41	and there's this guy...
00:17:43	in sandals and, like, ragged-ass cutofs.
00:17:47	And the rest of us are done up in ties...
00:17:49	it's me and theAttorney General
00:17:51	And we're sitting there, giving our best
00:17:56	And Shimomura is there in this surfer gear.
00:18:00	And he pulls thisAT&T cell phone...
00:18:03	pulls it out of the shrink-wrap,
00:18:06	and starts monitoring phone calls...
00:18:09	going up and down Capitol Hill...
00:18:11	while an FBl agent
00:18:15	l'm like, ''This fucker's got balls
00:18:19	You know, this is unbelievable.
00:18:24	l mean, he's hacking, right?
00:18:26	He was finger-hacking this phone
00:18:29	with two FBl agents
00:18:33	in the room with him.And l was like,
00:18:37	l mean, l was impressed.
00:18:38	lnside of a week, Shimomura and Markoff
00:18:41	estimated to be worth $750,000.
00:18:44	lt would be another 19 months
00:18:47	The book, entitledTakedown,
00:18:51	When l read it, l was aghast.
00:18:55	lt was Tsutomu's
00:19:00	l'd been to a lot of the restaurants
00:19:02	but l didn't need a hacker book
00:19:05	Takedown. Well....
00:19:09	l don't what l want to say aboutTakedown.
00:19:13	Takedown was not well received.
00:19:19	1996 came and went as did 1997.
00:19:23	Kevin remained in prison
00:19:25	and no prospect of a trial anytime soon.
00:19:29	A25-count indictment
00:19:31	than lying on the telephone
00:19:34	and copying software which he
00:19:37	Nothing about hacking
00:19:39	or having 20,000 credit card numbers...
00:19:42	nothing that would have appeared
00:19:46	North Carolina had also charged him
00:19:50	Kevin was given a two-year sentence...
00:19:52	more than he would have gotten
00:19:54	But the federal charges still remained.
00:19:57	They even put him
00:19:59	because the authorities were convinced
00:20:03	sneak into the warden's office
00:20:07	The mainstream media made light of it...
00:20:09	claiming Mitnick was put in solitary
00:20:13	What everyone seemed to forget
00:20:15	and this guy had yet to be tried.
00:20:17	And then, things got a whole lot worse.
00:20:20	June 1998.
00:20:20	June 1998.
00:20:22	A movie version of Takedown
00:20:24	Skeet Ulrich, who played a killer in Scream...
00:20:27	was set to play Kevin Mitnick.
00:20:28	And Russell Wong
00:20:30	would be Tsutomu Shimomura.
00:20:32	lt didn't seem to matter to anyone...
00:20:34	that the real-life Kevin
00:20:37	According to the script
00:20:40	he had been found guilty
00:20:42	The magic of Hollywood.
00:20:45	They even brought
00:20:47	ln real life, they'd only met
00:20:50	ln the Hollywood version
00:20:52	where Kevin would proceed
00:20:55	with a garbage can lid.
00:20:57	We had to tell the world
00:20:59	The truth needed to be told.
00:21:01	And we could either do it ourselves,
00:21:04	That's right, the media,
00:21:06	committed to informing the public
00:21:09	The true conscience of America.
00:21:12	-Stop pushing!
00:21:16	Watch yourselves!
00:21:19	Come on, guys.
00:21:22	Don't yell at me, everyone's in front of me.
00:21:24	Tell them to come back.
00:21:26	He's coming to the mike!
00:21:31	Would you guys get down?
00:21:38	Watch the mikes!
00:21:41	Let's get out of the way.
00:21:48	Come on.
00:21:57	We decided to do it ourselves.
00:21:59	We found Skeet Ulrich's apartment
00:22:02	and paid a visit
00:22:04	But he had moved.
00:22:05	l know, because the doorman let me
00:22:10	So the next stop was Miramax Films
00:22:13	We figured they'd appreciate a chance
00:22:17	And we knew we'd be warmly received
00:22:20	The company had distributed
00:22:23	you know, the guy
00:22:30	Hi, we're looking for Miramax?
00:22:35	-What's your name?
00:22:37	Who you here to see?
00:22:38	Sorry, you can't film in here.
00:22:40	-You can't film here?
00:22:43	Sorry, you can't....
00:22:44	So there's no way you can call upstairs....
00:22:49	You have to call them, they will call me.
00:22:53	This wasn't going well.
00:22:54	How could a movie company
00:22:57	All we wanted to do was talk to somebody.
00:23:03	What a letdown.
00:23:04	His light is on, so he's capturing everything.
00:23:06	So please go outside
00:23:09	All right, we don't want that,
00:23:12	We called the office and waited
00:23:16	lt was like they were scared of us.
00:23:20	that hackers were as one-dimensional
00:23:23	How could we get them
00:23:26	That night, NewYork City
00:23:29	We decided to find out
00:23:33	so we could let people in for free.
00:23:43	This is what the hacker world
00:23:46	Why didn't they see this?
00:23:47	Why did it always have to be something evil
00:23:55	We had only one option.
00:23:57	''For Off The Hook,
00:23:59	''where you got the copy of a script
00:24:02	''l found it really amusing
00:24:05	''and not twist it or fabricate it,
00:24:10	l've heard about Kevin's story,
00:24:13	l heard about this meeting,
00:24:16	and see how l can help.
00:24:17	lt wasn't from me, it's from somebody else,
00:24:20	-ls there a good catchiness?
00:24:25	''Three-and-a-halfYears With No Trial.''
00:24:28	And then you can make another one,
00:24:33	''And No Trial.''
00:24:34	When they see two ''Free Kevin'' stickers...
00:24:37	when they see 10, 20, 100,
00:24:42	They'll keep saying it
00:24:44	One or two people that know more about it
00:24:48	Those two people get two people
00:24:51	We're gonna be in their face
00:24:54	lf it comes to showing this thing
00:24:57	we're going to be there, too.
00:24:59	l mean, what we're doing now
00:25:03	until Kevin has his trial, until Kevin is out.
00:25:06	''Guilty by Hollywood''
00:25:08	-That's a good one.
00:25:12	Yeah, l did look at the script, and....
00:25:15	l don't know.
00:25:16	lt's a shame and it definitely
00:25:20	for someone
00:25:23	to then see this movie
00:25:27	We had tried talking to them
00:25:30	Now, by having a demonstration outside
00:25:34	But we were hackers.
00:25:36	Just that they can turn into riots...
00:25:38	especially when the Mayor
00:25:41	and the cops shoot people a lot more.
00:25:44	We needed guidance,
00:25:47	We looked all over town for an activist.
00:25:49	Maybe one of those gray-haired hippies
00:25:52	We found one. Sort of.
00:26:05	What's it like demonstrating here?
00:26:08	They hate our guts because
00:26:11	Why do you think there isn't more activism?
00:26:14	Because people don't care, they're scared...
00:26:17	they're afraid they'll get into trouble.
00:26:21	But we still have to take a stand,
00:26:24	We have to at least give it a try,
00:26:27	-Has this cop been giving you any trouble?
00:26:31	And we have a President
00:26:35	That bothers a lot of people, but....
00:26:37	Anybody that's decent gets bothered
00:26:43	Or when a President
00:26:45	Yeah.
00:26:47	He wasn't exactly what we had in mind.
00:26:49	l got a real earful about
00:26:52	But in the end,
00:26:55	When you demonstrate,
00:26:59	And that's the one thing we were sure of:
00:27:06	The day arrived.
00:27:15	We just stood there for a while,
00:27:18	Our converted phone company van
00:27:20	My name is Noah Kenickstein,
00:27:23	-For Miramax?
00:27:26	l didn't even know.
00:27:27	-l'm a lawyer. l'm representing you all.
00:27:31	So, no one's getting arrested, right?
00:27:34	-l didn't plan on it.
00:27:37	The National Lawyers Guild
00:27:40	and that was the turning point.
00:27:42	Things began to come together.
00:27:45	lt seemed like everyone except Miramax
00:27:49	We learned that when you stand outside
00:27:53	people notice.
00:28:04	These folks are gonna
00:28:07	They're gonna be marching around.
00:28:10	-You could tell the....
00:28:12	Tell the precinct, and tell them l'm a lawyer
00:28:17	No problems at all.
00:28:19	But they're having a little....
00:28:22	-l've got it.
00:28:24	l appreciate thatvery much.
00:28:27	l would say there's gonna be....
00:28:32	50 to 60, maximum 50.
00:28:38	-What area are you doing it in?
00:28:42	They're demonstrating about a movie
00:28:45	Thanks a lot, l appreciate you stopping me.
00:28:47	Everybody's nice and calm.
00:28:49	-l'll tell them that.Thanks for the advice.
00:28:53	No, they're not gonna come on purpose.
00:28:56	People are, you know....
00:28:57	You're talking about suits.
00:29:00	They don't give a fuck.
00:29:03	Don't harass the people who walk by
00:29:06	Some people have crises
00:29:08	They can't be bothered with our problems.
00:29:12	Do you have a permit?
00:29:16	Do you all have a permit?
00:29:18	As long as you don't block
00:29:21	You stay to the side, please.Thank you.
00:29:25	They can walk in front.
00:29:29	As long as you don't block the entrance,
00:29:33	They have a FirstAmendment right.
00:29:36	Don't block the entrance.
00:29:38	lt's ringing. l got put in voice mail,
00:29:41	This one's reaching voice mail.
00:29:45	Hi, this is the protest outside.
00:29:48	lf you get this, come outside.
00:29:51	l see someone.
00:29:53	All right. Maybe you'll pick up the phone
00:29:56	You calling the Publicity Department?
00:29:58	No, the main number.
00:30:01	and l asked for directions to the protest...
00:30:04	and they told me they couldn't get me
00:30:08	l said, ''Okay, l'll call you back tomorrow
00:30:11	-l see them, they've got their heads out.
00:30:14	They're not answering the phones.
00:30:16	Waving banners that said ''Free Kevin''...
00:30:18	and holding ''Stop Miramax'' posters...
00:30:20	the small butvocal crowd of protesters...
00:30:22	stood outside Miramax Pictures'
00:30:26	At issue: this script, entitledTakedown...
00:30:29	the story of the nation's most notorious
00:30:33	Mitnick is currently being held in prison
00:30:36	awaiting trial on computer crimes.
00:30:38	lt's a script these Kevin Mitnick supporters
00:30:41	and would hurt Mitnick's chances
00:30:44	lt might influence the jury
00:30:46	lt might change a lot of things
00:30:49	He's trying so hard to at least
00:30:53	where he's constantly being defamed.
00:30:57	You never know who you might see
00:31:02	Kevin Bacon had no interest whatsoever.
00:31:07	But radio personality Lazlow did.
00:31:09	With the proliferation of the news...
00:31:13	TV news journalism like Primetime Live...
00:31:15	and these shows
00:31:21	and shows like 60 Minutes
00:31:27	people don't knowthe facts about the case.
00:31:29	They don't knowthe facts about hackers.
00:31:33	l'd say that hackers...
00:31:36	are the communists of the 1990s...
00:31:38	where, basically, if anybody says ''hacker''...
00:31:42	all of a sudden you've got this demon 666 across
00:31:46	Nobody actually understands any of it.
00:31:50	What l do in my part, on the radio...
00:31:55	with my syndicated show,
00:31:58	because l talk to a lot of old people,
00:32:02	When l can, l put Emmanuel or Bernie S.,
00:32:07	to talk about the state of what's going on,
00:32:11	The people who cover it
00:32:13	do so for profit,
00:32:16	The demonstrators say they have sent
00:32:20	to Kevin Mitnick in jail,
00:32:24	Miramax's parent, Disney,
00:32:27	The controversy comes on the heels...
00:32:28	of the dumping of $43 million
00:32:31	by the Texas Board of Education.
00:32:33	The board's complaint: Miramax films
00:32:37	Miramax distorts the facts!
00:32:45	Was that Harvey Weinstein,
00:32:48	He walked right by us.
00:32:49	He didn't even get
00:32:52	Of course we had a brochure for Harvey.
00:32:55	Okay, l'll talk to you later. Bye.
00:32:59	-What did they say?
00:33:02	There she is.
00:33:04	She hung up on me yesterday
00:33:06	l got through.
00:33:07	They waved. Did you see them wave?
00:33:10	Miramax distorts the facts!
00:33:12	They said if you use a bullhorn...
00:33:14	or obstruct people's walkways,
00:33:18	Miramax distorts the facts!
00:33:20	lf you continue to use that,
00:33:26	l think that three years is a long time
00:33:30	And l think that what Miramax is doing...
00:33:33	is going to jeopardize his right
00:33:38	So that's why l'm out here protesting.
00:33:40	Thank you.
00:33:44	They all were aware of the thing
00:33:47	They talked about it on the set,
00:33:50	They said ''Did you talk to Emmanuel?
00:33:51	They were waving. They think it's fantastic.
00:33:53	And they all want Free Kevin stickers.
00:33:56	lf you give me some, l will send it to them.
00:33:59	Hello, sir.
00:34:00	Hello, sir.
00:34:02	No, l do not.
00:34:03	Computer hacker who's been in jail
00:34:08	Miramax has decided
00:34:10	The script is false.
00:34:15	which he is not.
00:34:17	l want to know what you think about it.
00:34:19	When are they doing the film?
00:34:20	-They start shooting in a few weeks.
00:34:23	-How do l find out the truth?
00:34:27	-Hold on, l want to talk to you.
00:34:29	My main thing is the only reason
00:34:34	is because people don't have
00:34:37	All you got is big corporations like Miramax
00:34:42	FirstAmendment! Yeah!
00:34:45	This is inAmerica.
00:34:46	-He was in jail three years without a trial?
00:34:49	l saw something about this
00:34:52	This happens a lot, though.
00:34:54	You always have unauthorized biographies
00:34:58	Where it's like, you have an autobiography...
00:35:00	you have an authorized biography.
00:35:03	-This is sort of like an unauthorized--
00:35:07	-He hasn't had a trial yet?
00:35:10	Not only that, in the movie,
00:35:15	-You ever hear of Kevin Mitnick?
00:35:18	Well, if you're walking away, l really can't....
00:35:23	How did you guys get a hold of the script?
00:35:27	Okay. All right.
00:35:31	You're a lawyer.
00:35:35	Can't they try and stop them
00:35:38	That's not right.They have to put a waiver--
00:35:40	l think they should hold the film
00:35:44	l mean, it happens.
00:35:47	You know, l don't think it should be....
00:35:49	Obviously, it's probably not legal
00:35:53	l think they should have to wait
00:35:56	And also they shouldn't use his real name.
00:35:58	lf they want to change the facts,
00:36:01	-Make it a fictional story.
00:36:04	Think about what you've done
00:36:08	And imagine being in jail
00:36:13	For just that. Just for copying software.
00:36:18	l've copied software.
00:36:20	-What did he do? He hacked.
00:36:23	l would like to know your opinion...
00:36:25	on the slandering in this film.
00:36:31	Miramax sucks. So, like, Free Kevin!
00:36:37	l can't talk shit about a movie
00:36:42	But the one relevant thing that l could say..
00:36:44	is it seems to me there is
00:36:49	vis-a-vis hacking, you know.
00:36:51	People are very quick to fly off the handle
00:36:55	people who are, you know,
00:36:59	in a way that they don't understand.
00:37:01	-Definitely.
00:37:05	Not only did we find a receptive bunch
00:37:07	they even started to do our work for us.
00:37:10	New York was great.
00:37:12	New York was great.
00:37:13	We had to travel to get to the right people.
00:37:17	and made sure none of us had anything
00:37:21	We charted out a course,
00:37:24	That's where we got our economy-sized
00:37:27	The plan was to go
00:37:30	where filming for Takedown
00:37:32	On the way, we figured we'd make a detour
00:37:35	the annual hacker convention in Las Vegas.
00:37:38	lf we were going to do that,
00:37:40	to say hi to Tsutomu Shimomura...
00:37:42	and maybe convince him
00:37:45	And if we did that,
00:37:48	to ask him to inject some accuracy
00:37:52	Since we were suddenly adding
00:37:55	we might as well visit
00:37:57	who were claiming Kevin Mitnick
00:38:01	just to see what the hell they were talking about.
00:38:06	There's something about Pennsylvania.
00:38:09	That's because they seem to have prisons
00:38:14	And almost everyone l know who's gone
00:38:18	Weird.
00:38:20	Besides, every time l get pulled over
00:38:22	l seem to find myself in the Prison State.
00:38:26	Let's not get off on the wrong foot,
00:38:29	Home of such landmarks as the Liberty Bell,
00:38:34	that little surveillance camera
00:38:41	and the house where Thomas Jefferson
00:38:45	just down the block from theAfro-American
00:38:51	A maximum-security federal prison
00:38:56	Howtimes change.
00:39:00	They say it's illegal to take pictures
00:39:03	even those under construction,
00:39:06	We couldn't find a law anywhere
00:39:09	but try taking a picture of a prison...
00:39:11	without getting threatened
00:39:14	Here, look at this part.
00:39:16	Maybe there are subtle details
00:39:29	l think fully half of the people
00:39:33	shouldn't be there.
00:39:35	lt's notviolent criminals.
00:39:39	Drug crimes. Somebody gets
00:39:42	for selling $800 worth of LSD.
00:39:45	That's not right either.
00:39:49	lt's just not right.
00:39:50	l knowthe state of California
00:39:55	lncarceration is a big business.
00:40:01	There is less and less tolerance
00:40:04	for people who have transgressed the rules.
00:40:06	We have a huge prison population.
00:40:11	Putting a computer hacker in
00:40:15	is probably the worst thing
00:40:18	to somebody who has...
00:40:21	not murdered, is not a violent criminal!
00:40:24	Somebody who's a technological....
00:40:27	Then, again,
00:40:30	We need a new classification system
00:40:34	ln one of my books
00:40:37	especially for technology
00:40:42	and the judges
00:40:45	would have some technological basis...
00:40:48	to evaluate and try the case
00:40:51	and to come up with
00:40:54	that reflected more the nature of the crime.
00:40:57	lf you're exposed to people like that
00:41:00	You become one of them.
00:41:03	Next thing you know you'll be locked away
00:41:07	One night...
00:41:12	...l was in my cell in a minimum-security
00:41:16	Two guards stormed in...
00:41:19	and flipped my bed upside down...
00:41:22	and locked me in handcufs and started
00:41:27	demanding to know
00:41:30	l'm like, ''l don't have a computer here.
00:41:34	They were squeezing the toothpaste
00:41:36	ostensibly looking for a computer
00:41:40	lt was bizarre!
00:41:43	But Pennsylvania was more than prisons,
00:41:46	And theAge Expo was where
00:41:50	that corporateAmerica
00:41:59	The guy representing BellAtlantic
00:42:02	How could you not trust a fox?
00:42:04	Freddie the Phone-Fraud Fox was passing
00:42:08	Over $4 billion in phone fraud every year.
00:42:11	Freddie said most of that was
00:42:15	And l met him.
00:42:19	Freddie knew words like ''digit''
00:42:23	lt made more sense to say things like
00:42:25	lt means they will have to dial
00:42:28	along with their seven-digit number
00:42:31	within and between 215, 610...
00:42:36	and the new 267 for 215...
00:42:39	and the 484 for 610 area code.
00:42:43	You give them out in blocks of 10,000 and people
00:42:47	end up using 300 numbers
00:42:51	Easy listening
00:42:57	Easy listening
00:43:02	Easy listening
00:43:07	Easy listening
00:43:13	lgnore the poisoned atmosphere
00:43:15	Open up another beer
00:43:18	The media feeds you every day
00:43:23	We went back...
00:43:28	...to a familiar place.
00:43:32	Everything was just as we left it...
00:43:35	only it was about 90 degrees warmer.
00:43:37	But you could still feel the chill
00:43:43	lt was surprising
00:43:46	So we filmed everything.
00:43:49	the minimum-security prison camp...
00:43:51	the sign that lets minimum-security
00:43:54	and Unicor, the slave-labor office...
00:43:56	where prisoners make furniture
00:44:03	We almost made it out.
00:44:12	lt was the first time we had ever gotten
00:44:19	How could we not drop in
00:44:21	the Computer Emergency Response Team?
00:44:23	They tell the world
00:44:26	They'd back us up and tell the world...
00:44:28	that Kevin Mitnick
00:44:30	Kristy McNichol, or theAmerican way of life.
00:44:33	We thought computer people
00:44:35	but these guys
00:44:37	We asked the security guard to come down
00:44:44	Something must get triggered
00:44:47	We were meeting far too many cops
00:44:50	But at least Pennsylvania
00:44:57	We explained why we were there
00:45:01	You're not welcome.
00:45:03	We're used to that.
00:45:04	ln the event that you should
00:45:09	if you are not welcome...
00:45:11	and l find out that you are not welcome...
00:45:13	you will be exactly where Kevin is...
00:45:19	and then you'd be defeating your purpose.
00:45:22	l'm here to do the job
00:45:26	-to get you out of here.
00:45:28	l know a lot of people who are in prison
00:45:32	But that's our judicial system.
00:45:34	You know what l mean?
00:45:36	Sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.
00:45:40	Believe me, l've seen it not work
00:45:45	l'm gonna parlay the rest of this...
00:45:48	my tedious job is to run you for wants
00:45:54	if you would expedite your leaving.
00:45:57	We'll get out of here,
00:46:00	19 radio.
00:46:04	The gentleman has been given
00:46:08	l'll give you his name and stuf.
00:46:13	Before we left,
00:46:17	He told me not to mess with her.
00:46:20	She did everybody she could in the weeds...
00:46:23	and then she moved to the projects.
00:46:26	lt's not Kevin's fault.
00:46:27	Free Kevin. Kevin has nothing to do with it.
00:46:30	The broad quit me
00:46:34	and l wasn't making no money.
00:46:38	l was broke, that's why she quit me.
00:46:40	The reason l don't have a girlfriend
00:46:47	Oh, wow.
00:46:48	He seems like a nice guy.
00:46:53	You think his girlfriend's gonna quit him
00:46:56	lt was time to go.
00:47:02	We was peeling potatoes
00:47:05	Back in World War Two
00:47:08	And we was playing that rock and roll
00:47:15	Hidden from the public
00:47:17	lt was behind the scenes
00:47:20	There was a relic
00:47:47	With Kevin Mitnick locked away...
00:47:48	the phone companies of the world
00:47:51	But the fact remained,
00:47:54	online and off.
00:47:56	Allied SignalAerospace...
00:47:58	Sprint PCS up there...
00:48:00	lnformix,
00:48:03	You're scaring me.
00:48:06	lt's like this flat area where there's no trees
00:48:12	Oklahoma, the state that created Hanson.
00:48:16	People kept telling us our sound guy
00:48:20	Since we were going through
00:48:23	we figured we'd go
00:48:25	and turn the Free Kevin campaign
00:48:28	We could use the publicity..
00:48:30	and if we could confuse some Tulsans
00:48:33	all the better.
00:48:34	And it sure wasn't hard to do that.
00:48:49	Once we'd confused people at the mall,
00:48:53	in the hopes that the Religious Right
00:49:01	When the vice president of the university,
00:49:04	came down the stairs with a golf club,
00:49:08	There wasn't a golf course for miles.
00:49:10	Hellflower, Satan's power
00:49:14	You grow more beautiful by the hour
00:49:18	You feed our hearts
00:49:21	With the essence of the souls
00:49:33	Shrinking violet makes the scene
00:49:36	ln the formal garden of the queen
00:49:40	Bloody Mary, so contrary
00:49:43	They had a hard time getting into my place.
00:49:46	l had the bedroom door closed,
00:49:50	They were pounding on the door
00:49:53	They actually started calling
00:49:56	and leaving messages
00:49:58	''This is the FBl.
00:50:01	l wasn't there when they searched my home.
00:50:05	My dad was the only one home.
00:50:08	that he was me.
00:50:09	They were looking for somebody
00:50:12	When they found out that l was like, 13...
00:50:17	they didn't know what to do.
00:50:19	l think when they walk in
00:50:22	they should be told to go to hell...
00:50:23	take what they want, we'll see you in court,
00:50:28	The problem, of course, is that
00:50:32	They want to try to get off cheap...
00:50:34	so they cooperate and they plea bargain...
00:50:37	and they end up pleading guilty
00:50:40	And that sets the record bad
00:50:44	l think if people had the resources,
00:50:48	dedicated to helping people,
00:50:52	You know, something that's much more
00:50:56	such as the EFF.
00:50:57	An organization that's actually truly willing
00:51:02	that we'd see a lot more progress
00:51:06	The government, for once...
00:51:07	would have to start conforming
00:51:10	that they're supposedly enforcing.
00:51:12	We were detained for two hours
00:51:15	There were 13 police officers
00:51:20	l told them what was going on...
00:51:22	but they seemed to think
00:51:26	Without my consent
00:51:29	even though they admitted
00:51:32	They took anything and everything
00:51:35	or had an electrical plug on it.
00:51:37	They took other unrelated items
00:51:41	l'm not quite sure howthat fits
00:51:44	Every business card l had.
00:51:47	They took everything
00:51:50	They told me they're not trying
00:51:54	and then one of them said...
00:51:56	he used to play with baseball cards
00:52:00	They would be searching my wardrobe.
00:52:01	l'd be standing there with the guy
00:52:04	and he's going through every pocket
00:52:07	Then it suddenly dawned on me...
00:52:08	l don't have to stand there.
00:52:11	He stopped searching the wardrobe
00:52:14	lt was very obvious.
00:52:16	Their tactics weren't meant
00:52:19	Searching every pocket
00:52:23	that tactic wasn't meant to do anything
00:52:27	They showed up at my friend's house...
00:52:29	where a 3-year-old and a 5-year-old
00:52:32	They came storming into the house
00:52:35	ran up the steps...
00:52:37	and said,
00:52:41	l was sitting at the keyboard of a computer,
00:52:45	l was thrown to the floor, handcuffed,
00:52:49	and dragged out. l told my..
00:52:51	friend Ellen Fisher, who was there,
00:52:56	They kept telling me to shut up.
00:53:00	l was taken back to the police station
00:53:04	and locked in a cell for about three hours
00:53:11	Then a Secret Service agent
00:53:14	or interrogated me, wanted to know
00:53:17	And l said l was making them
00:53:23	He tried to get me to say l was
00:53:27	He gotvery irate that l wasn't telling him
00:53:30	Eventually they locked me
00:53:33	They refused to let me call my lawyer.
00:53:35	ln fact, my rights weren't read to me.
00:53:37	There were many instances
00:53:39	l wanted to consult with my attorney...
00:53:41	and they said, ''That's not a good idea.''
00:53:46	So finally, when...
00:53:47	they all shifted from my apartment
00:53:53	l got to drive down in my own car.
00:53:56	l called an attorney...
00:53:57	and by the time they were at my work,
00:54:01	The agent in charge, Ken McGuire,
00:54:04	gave me a very nasty
00:54:06	at the fact
00:54:09	lt's really amazing.
00:54:11	He really gave me one of these:
00:54:15	''You shouldn't have done that'' looks.
00:54:18	NASA people told my parents l was cocky...
00:54:20	because l told them
00:54:23	l had cops tell me pretty well straight out:
00:54:26	''We really didn't want to harm Junior..
00:54:29	''so we took his computer
00:54:32	''over in traffic management,
00:54:35	Wait a minute. You're like,
00:54:39	They were like,
00:54:43	''Dad should have known better.''
00:54:45	So this is $4,000 worth of equipment
00:54:50	and you just pocketed it, basically?
00:54:53	Now you're going to charge him?
00:54:56	''we've got to bring him up
00:55:00	''he's gonna be a felon and be ruined.''
00:55:02	''We explained this to them and they said,
00:55:07	But that's not legal.
00:55:09	That's nothing like legality
00:55:13	lt's blackmail, basically.
00:55:15	lt's like with anyone else.
00:55:20	doesn't give you the right to be an asshole.
00:55:22	Unless you'd like me to be an asshole
00:55:24	l don't care who you are.
00:55:27	You will obtain the respect from me
00:55:31	l may have hacked NASA, but who doesn't?
00:55:44	They say they clocked us
00:55:47	on the lnterstate in New Mexico.
00:55:49	And the cop wouldn't let us go
00:55:53	To make matters worse, he told us
00:55:58	Things seemed pretty bleak.
00:56:00	But, then, a miracle happened.
00:56:06	All right!
00:56:09	He said 11 hours
00:56:11	These highway patrol people
00:56:14	All right, Las Vegas, let's do it!
00:56:19	Twilight City gonna set my soul
00:56:25	Got a whole lot of money
00:56:28	So get those stakes up high
00:56:31	There's a thousand pretty women
00:56:34	They're all waiting, they're devil-may-care
00:56:37	And l'm just the devil
00:56:41	Viva Las Vegas
00:56:44	Viva Las Vegas
00:56:47	Viva Las Vegas
00:56:52	How l wish that there were more
00:56:58	Even if l ran out of speed, boy
00:57:02	We're looking for the Defcon conference.
00:57:04	We're supposed to be filming here.
00:57:06	Defcon conference?
00:57:08	lt's like computer hackers....
00:57:11	Not that l know of.
00:57:13	Were they gonna start inside the computer
00:57:17	lt's about a thousand computer hackers
00:57:22	l've never heard of it.
00:57:24	They must've done a good job
00:57:26	They even got me going.
00:57:28	Plaza Hotel, Las Vegas?
00:57:30	New Mexico.
00:57:35	lt was a mistake anybody could have made...
00:57:38	except nobody else seems to have made it.
00:57:40	At least if we were in New Mexico...
00:57:42	we could stop by LosAlamos National Labs,
00:57:46	and one of the many places
00:57:49	lf we could get the word to the people here,
00:58:10	ln those few places
00:58:13	we always seemed to stay a bit too long
00:58:16	we weren't supposed to be looking at.
00:58:20	This guy was mean,
00:58:23	As we left, we noticed
00:58:26	all around the building.
00:58:30	That's when we got lost on a dark road
00:58:34	with a bunch of military zealots
00:58:37	We got the message.
00:58:58	Twilight City gonna set my soul
00:59:01	lt's gonna set my soul on fire
00:59:04	Got a whole lotta money that's ready to burn
00:59:07	So get those stakes up high
00:59:10	There's a thousand pretty women
00:59:14	They're all waiting, they're devil-may-care
00:59:17	And l'm just the devil
00:59:20	Viva Las Vegas
00:59:24	Viva Las Vegas
00:59:27	Viva Las Vegas
00:59:31	How l wish that there were more
00:59:38	Even if l ran out of speed, boy
00:59:42	When l started,
00:59:45	l thought it was going to be a party
00:59:48	When we left, everybody said,
00:59:51	And l said, ''l guess l could do this again.''
00:59:54	Since then, more people get involved,
00:59:58	''We could probably have some music.''
01:00:00	Next thing you know,
01:00:03	with LCD wall projectors and DJs coming in
01:00:16	lt has taken on this life of its own.
01:00:36	We are the Ghetto Hackers.
01:00:41	Low-class, low-budget, high-octane.
01:00:51	-Dead!
01:00:54	When l say rock, you say ass!
01:00:56	-Rock!
01:00:59	Thank you very much. Good night.
01:01:02	l have in my hand proof positive...
01:01:05	that NTis not the solution
01:01:09	l have captured earlier today on film...
01:01:12	the blue screen of death...
01:01:14	at Las Vegas' own
01:01:20	Thousands showed up.
01:01:21	Even though the Free Kevin stickers
01:01:24	at least everybody here knew his name.
01:01:29	You have to go to www.kevinmitnick.com.
01:01:36	''And it doesn't matter
01:01:40	''What matters is us.
01:01:42	''What matters is....''
01:01:48	We were hot on the trail.
01:01:49	We were hot on the trail.
01:01:51	l don't want to get into Shimomura.
01:01:54	l think he has a very large ego.
01:01:56	He's a very bright person and very smart...
01:01:59	but l think his social skills are lacking.
01:02:03	For years, Shimomura had been eluding me.
01:02:06	l couldn't even get on the same TV shows.
01:02:09	He'd pop up over on CNN...
01:02:11	while l was stuck over
01:02:15	While he was getting all cozy
01:02:18	l was being interrogated by Mike Wallace.
01:02:23	2600: The Hacker Quarterly?
01:02:25	Tsutomu wasn't even answering my e-mail.
01:02:28	But nowthere would be no escape.
01:02:31	The San Diego Supercomputer Center,
01:02:34	We were closing in.
01:02:36	You notice how quiet it is?
01:02:40	Like when a deer
01:02:46	-You're here to see him?
01:02:50	-You're looking for Tsutomu?
01:02:51	-l haven't seen him in three months.
01:02:54	Do you know where he is?
01:02:57	He's not here.
01:02:58	Let me check with....
01:03:00	Did you make arrangements
01:03:02	They weren'tvery firm
01:03:07	-You can try his office.
01:03:10	-lt was very informal.
01:03:13	You can try the extension,
01:03:15	Do l know him?
01:03:18	Just from interacting on....
01:03:20	But l'm not.... l can't....
01:03:23	Definitely should have called first, l guess.
01:03:26	lt's just he likes surprises so much.
01:03:28	This sheet of paper
01:03:32	He'll know what it's about. He wanted
01:03:36	He wanted these?
01:03:38	l just wanted to make sure he got them.
01:03:42	lt wasn't much better than the reception
01:03:45	But we left our calling card in a place
01:03:51	l think it's absurd when l find out
01:03:55	is giving instructions to Skeet Ulrich...
01:03:59	on howto act more like Kevin.
01:04:01	Here's someone instructing him
01:04:05	and it's a person that met Kevin only once...
01:04:08	in court, under circumstances of duress.
01:04:12	From there how he can ascertain
01:04:17	When l step on this curb
01:04:30	Sorry to bother you.
01:04:33	We're not sure if we have
01:04:36	-Tsutomu Shimomura.
01:04:39	How long ago did he move?
01:04:41	-Seven, eight months?
01:04:43	Do you have any idea where he went?
01:04:44	No, he was renting,
01:04:47	He's in the national news.
01:04:50	-He's what?
01:04:53	-You can see, l'm on the phone.
01:04:56	-They're making a movie about him.
01:04:59	-lt's all about--
01:05:03	They're making a big
01:05:06	They may film around here
01:05:10	-So l could be a star?
01:05:12	l've been waiting to be discovered
01:05:15	He could be anywhere.
01:05:19	Man, that's scary.
01:05:21	We had one last address to try
01:05:24	But this was getting frustrating.
01:05:27	We have another lead here.
01:05:30	We're certainly seeing a lot
01:05:36	''Out of order, please use other door.''
01:05:43	You know, if that was a computer,
01:05:53	They think we're
01:05:58	lt was like he was a step ahead of us.
01:06:02	Japanese? Long hair?
01:06:06	For some reason,
01:06:08	to have a full directory
01:06:11	available to anyone in the world.
01:06:14	But it gave us
01:06:17	Shimomura wasn't here either.
01:06:21	lt's a pretty cool system, though.
01:06:26	Let's try a couple of other things.
01:06:28	We're going to enter
01:06:36	Now it's dialing.
01:06:38	That's their whole phone number
01:06:44	See if we get an answering machine.
01:06:47	You've reached Amy.
01:06:50	Please leave a message.
01:06:53	We've gotten everything
01:06:55	and made ourselves look suspicious at
01:07:00	On the way out of San Diego,
01:07:01	On the way out of San Diego,
01:07:03	The trunk wouldn't close.
01:07:05	We should get this tape of the trunk, too.
01:07:09	Holy fuck! Oh, my God! Shit!
01:07:15	We're right underneath the flight path!
01:07:17	We had to clean everything out
01:07:20	including the disgusting piece of gum
01:07:24	You know what,
01:07:27	Okay, l'm down.
01:07:28	This is the most disgusting thing
01:07:32	You know it's still soft. Oh, God!
01:07:34	Want some gum?
01:07:42	This is a scary neighborhood.
01:07:45	We made it to LosAngeles
01:07:47	Our first stop,
01:07:50	where Kevin had been accused of storing
01:07:54	USC claimed that somehow caused
01:07:58	l wanted to know what computer system
01:08:00	by having files stored on it!
01:08:03	l'm Brian Johnson. l'm
01:08:06	Yeah, we're not allowed
01:08:10	At least we finally
01:08:12	who'd say they weren't allowed
01:08:14	That was progress, right?
01:08:17	The Metropolitan Detention Center
01:08:18	The Metropolitan Detention Center
01:08:20	where Kevin had been held
01:08:23	lt was his 35th birthday
01:08:25	The closest we could come
01:08:28	lt was a popular place for all the people
01:08:32	l know he's looking at me, so l can wave hi.
01:08:35	And he gives me a call
01:08:39	-He's comfortable with that.
01:08:43	Like, almost once a week.
01:08:45	When l drop off my sister
01:08:48	-How come you can't go in there and visit?
01:08:51	l wouldn't know why the reason
01:08:54	-You're his brother?
01:08:56	Married to my sister.
01:08:57	-So it's only immediate family?
01:09:01	He talks to me
01:09:04	-l just come and say hi.
01:09:07	l don't know what the reason why he's in,
01:09:13	And you bring your friends with you?
01:09:17	Yeah, they know my brother-in-law
01:09:19	We grew up together so....
01:09:22	Have you heard of Kevin Mitnick,
01:09:26	-l never heard of him.
01:09:28	-You know what computer hackers are?
01:09:30	He's been in there
01:09:34	-and he hasn't had a trial yet.
01:09:38	He's working on it, he's trying,
01:09:42	That's something true.
01:09:45	They're not the ones that--
01:09:49	Sure.
01:09:50	There's so many people, l think.
01:09:54	l wouldn't even know what to tell you,
01:09:58	He must've went in
01:10:00	He must've pissed somebody off.
01:10:02	Pissed somebody off
01:10:05	They probably laughed and said,
01:10:08	That's not fair but that's the way it is.
01:10:10	When the windows
01:10:13	it's hard to find
01:10:15	even if you know exactly what time to look.
01:10:18	And then we heard it.
01:10:26	Yeah, what was that?
01:10:27	l heard a pounding on the window
01:10:32	1,2,3,4,5.
01:10:40	He's shining a light or something.
01:10:49	l can see him now.
01:10:50	Was that you?That was you.
01:10:53	You were pounding on the glass, right?
01:10:57	We were looking at the wrong window.
01:11:00	Come back to the window
01:11:02	Can you do that?
01:11:04	We'll put a sticker up, we just don't want
01:11:08	He wants us to put a sticker.
01:11:10	-He wants a sticker?
01:11:12	We can see your hand.
01:11:13	l doubt you can stick
01:11:16	Splotch your face up against the window
01:11:18	Nowthat we know it's the right one,
01:11:21	All right, cool.
01:11:25	Okay, great. See you then. Bye.
01:11:29	He's going to be up there in two minutes.
01:11:32	l wish we could go in there
01:11:35	But, hell, l'll take it.
01:11:38	We found out that our filming
01:11:41	that every single prisoner
01:11:43	confined to their cell for the rest of the day
01:11:46	And Kevin told us
01:11:51	Like this.
01:11:57	That's cool.
01:12:03	Even the manager of the station
01:12:15	This guy in the blue car
01:12:18	No kidding.Thanks!That's great.
01:12:21	Look where l put the sticker.
01:12:24	lt'll be gone tomorrow.
01:12:26	-That's great.
01:12:28	-He let you do that?
01:12:29	Randolph's gonna get gas
01:12:33	He was never served...
01:12:37	with a warrant for his arrest...
01:12:39	for the supervised release violations
01:12:44	So by the time that he was done
01:12:50	there's no indication that he was aware
01:12:57	Damn! You know, Sprint really sucks.
01:13:00	We wanted the entire city
01:13:04	And what better way
01:13:06	on the most famous billboard in town?
01:13:12	lt took us hours to climb that thing.
01:13:15	We honestly didn't knowthere was a road
01:13:19	But we made it.
01:13:21	Funny thing, though.
01:13:22	We couldn't find anybody
01:13:27	Later, we went
01:13:30	to try and spread the word from up close.
01:13:38	Here, Free Kevin! Free Kevin Mitnick.
01:13:41	lt won't bite you. Speak English?
01:13:43	We're trying to get the message
01:13:45	that it's wrong to release
01:13:49	that's based on real events....
01:13:50	People will see this movie
01:13:53	when so much of it
01:13:56	-l've heard about this guy.
01:13:57	Here, help stop a movie
01:14:03	-You got a problem?
01:14:05	Come back and tell me about it.
01:14:07	Pussy!
01:14:10	lt's hard to believe
01:14:12	could be in jail for three-and-a-half years,
01:14:17	no bail, no trial.
01:14:19	l don't find thatvery hard to believe.
01:14:21	-l read a book, Takedown.
01:14:23	l read like half of it.
01:14:26	He gets out of jail,
01:14:30	That's the problem.
01:14:33	You don't think he could hack anything
01:14:36	He can't hack anything
01:14:39	l mean, you gotta have
01:14:41	Why are you recording this?
01:14:43	Hey, read about Kevin Mitnick?
01:14:48	He's the best guy ever!
01:14:51	Yeah, me too, yo!
01:14:59	He's never done anything wrong,
01:15:03	and he's being treated
01:15:05	That is theAmerican way. Wake up.
01:15:09	Kevin was denied bail. Even a bail hearing.
01:15:14	lf you recall,
01:15:18	His bail was turned down.
01:15:22	On the other hand, Kevin...
01:15:25	is getting treatment that is outside the law
01:15:29	And that's what makes itvery difficult
01:15:34	He's not being treated in a legal manner
01:15:38	l've never heard of anything
01:15:43	...confinement prior to a trial.
01:15:46	Murderers get bail.
01:15:49	Armed robbers get bail.
01:15:52	The fear of what he's going to do...
01:15:54	from a push-button telephone
01:15:58	shows again a lack of technical
01:16:02	and judicial system.And l think that's sad.
01:16:05	And he is right nowthe victim of that.
01:16:10	On our way up the coast,
01:16:11	On our way up the coast,
01:16:13	According to a letter we got our hands on...
01:16:15	they said Kevin's acquisition
01:16:17	represented hundreds of millions
01:16:20	Nowthey give
01:16:23	Something wasn't right.
01:16:24	So we're right here.
01:16:25	On the other side of the freeway
01:16:30	And then further up is their big campus.
01:16:32	Basically, all of this blank area...
01:16:36	is actually Sun buildings and Sun streets.
01:16:39	We knew where we were,
01:16:42	What number do we call
01:16:44	1-800-USA4SUN.
01:16:46	They can direct you to whoever you need.
01:16:49	USA4SUN?
01:16:50	Can you remember
01:16:53	The receptionist wouldn't let us talk
01:16:56	But we slipped a few leaflets
01:16:59	l thought she was being kind of patronizing.
01:17:01	''Do you want me to write that down
01:17:04	l can remember it.
01:17:08	USA4SUN, right?
01:17:10	-Was that it? Or was it SUN4USA? Fuck!
01:17:13	You sure?
01:17:15	Should l run in and ask her again?
01:17:18	''Thank you for calling Sun.''
01:17:26	l have a rotary phone.
01:17:35	l'm pressing zero.
01:17:40	l'm probably going to get her,too.
01:17:44	My call ''may be monitored.''
01:17:48	Another machine.
01:17:53	They want my eight-digit lD number!
01:17:57	This is bullshit, man.
01:18:00	They've got me waiting
01:18:03	lt's not exactly what l had in mind.
01:18:06	But let's see what happens.
01:18:09	My call is ''very important to them.''
01:18:14	He hung up!
01:18:16	He hung up on me!
01:18:18	Maybe he didn't hang up on me
01:18:21	Fuck!All right.
01:18:25	l think on their web page
01:18:28	But we're not on their web page,
01:18:33	Wait a minute.
01:18:36	-Not today.
01:18:38	Shit. We can't access the web from here...
01:18:40	we're outside Sun
01:18:42	to find out what their phone number is!
01:18:46	l'm gonna try this number one more time.
01:18:48	l'm gonna be a little patient here.
01:18:53	Okay, now l am waiting
01:18:59	Hi, Pete, my name is Emmanuel.
01:19:01	l'm trying to reach somebody
01:19:04	l'm hoping somebody can contact me
01:19:09	and how it involved Sun.
01:19:12	We came to the corporate headquarters
01:19:15	and they gave us a phone number
01:19:19	so if you could get back to me....
01:19:21	They have a fortress here.
01:19:23	They have that mighty guard there
01:19:28	And then the voice mail guard here...
01:19:30	that won't let anybody actually call
01:19:33	Maybe they'll call back, maybe they won't.
01:19:36	This is the red hotline.
01:19:40	We have GPS, good.
01:19:42	GPS but no modem. Man, that sucks.
01:19:46	l was using it last night and it was gone
01:19:50	Sorry, no cameras in front of the building.
01:19:52	How about if we film in that direction?
01:19:55	We can't have the cameras filming.
01:19:57	Okay, 'cause we were just filming us.
01:19:59	No, l can understand that,
01:20:02	Wow, this was a new one.
01:20:04	We couldn't even film ourselves
01:20:07	Corporate paranoia was at an all-time high.
01:20:10	And, needless to say,
01:20:13	Meanwhile, John Markoff
01:20:14	Meanwhile, John Markoff
01:20:16	Maybe now we'd finally get some answers.
01:20:19	We made it to San Francisco
01:20:21	that psychologists from around the world
01:20:24	Maybe because so many people
01:20:27	They have counseling phones
01:20:29	because so many people
01:20:31	But San Francisco was a friendly town...
01:20:33	where people felt safe
01:20:36	But more importantly...
01:20:38	the psychologists wound up taking
01:20:46	even the old-fashioned ones.
01:20:50	We were beginning to get desperate.
01:20:55	Then we found a hotel
01:20:58	We never did find out why.
01:21:02	Markoff mentions certain stories.
01:21:05	He'll say, ''lt's been said that....''
01:21:09	And he'll come up with these stories
01:21:14	shut off power.... lt's bullshit.
01:21:16	l don't think John Markoff
01:21:21	But l think he did it
01:21:26	Maybe he believed
01:21:28	Okay, isn't a newspaperman...
01:21:30	supposed to investigate something
01:21:35	before they put it in the newspaper as fact?
01:21:38	l know Spencer Tracy
01:21:45	We didn't know what we were walking into.
01:21:50	that would shock and horrify us?
01:21:52	how much his front-page stories
01:21:55	helping to put him in the lousy place
01:21:58	This was our one chance
01:22:01	And, more than anything,
01:22:04	So we came up with the Markoff Meter.
01:22:08	and resolved not to judge him badly
01:22:12	And if he said six good things...
01:22:14	well, then, the hacker world
01:22:18	Maybe this wouldn't be so bad.
01:22:25	Nowthere's an easy point
01:22:29	l wanted to get to the heart of the matter
01:22:31	Like howthey knew it was Kevin
01:22:36	When l called the Qualcomm guys,
01:22:39	And the FBl believed that it was Kevin
01:22:43	Why?
01:22:46	l don't know enough
01:22:50	inside the FBl investigation.
01:22:52	That's a good question. l don't know why
01:22:54	But the FBl told the Qualcomm people
01:22:58	And, to my mind, as a reporter,
01:23:01	-Which is what?
01:23:03	Really good social engineering.
01:23:05	But there are thousands
01:23:07	That's true.
01:23:09	l'm not saying it's proof.
01:23:11	l'm simply saying
01:23:14	Did they hear a voice
01:23:18	Did they have a voice recording?
01:23:22	This we couldn't forgive.
01:23:24	Before you print front-page stories
01:23:28	shouldn't you have
01:23:31	What did Kevin do that was diferent?
01:23:33	He had a reputation
01:23:38	l've heard some tapes,
01:23:42	lf he in fact was the person
01:23:46	then he was a good social engineer.
01:23:50	Nowthat's better. No need to be stingy
01:23:54	One thing that's been following
01:23:56	since the first story Markoff wrote about him
01:24:01	When you say something like that
01:24:05	And in Kevin's case,
01:24:09	So where did the NORAD stuff come from?
01:24:12	The NORAD stuff...
01:24:14	is stuff that l got from someone...
01:24:17	who was in legal trouble
01:24:20	So l have not been able to interview Kevin
01:24:24	l've heard he said that it's inaccurate
01:24:28	The story did come from a friend of his.
01:24:31	l knowthere are lots of stories
01:24:35	But what stories have stuck?
01:24:37	l remember the Kristy McNichol thing.
01:24:41	Security Pacific l think is probably one
01:24:46	-You know about that?
01:24:49	That's right.
01:24:52	that suggested that the bank
01:24:55	though they managed to keep it of the wire,
01:24:58	But what links that to Kevin?
01:25:00	The police investigators that we interviewed
01:25:04	Based on what?
01:25:09	Based on what....
01:25:11	Just coincidence of things.
01:25:16	You've got to be kidding!
01:25:18	You used ''who else''
01:25:20	on the front page of the NewYork Times...
01:25:22	without even using
01:25:25	This was reported as fact
01:25:28	Just like NORAD, just like Kristy McNichol...
01:25:30	just like everything that made them
01:25:34	Let's look at the issue
01:25:36	lt wasn't mentioned
01:25:38	that Kevin was in solitary for 8 months
01:25:42	and that this above all
01:25:45	l mean, he didn't want to go back to jail.
01:25:47	Not just jail, solitary confinement.
01:25:50	Was he in solitary before?
01:25:53	1989.
01:25:54	He spent 8 months in solitary in 1989?
01:25:57	Wait. He didn't spend 8 months in prison.
01:26:03	You've written two books on the guy
01:26:06	You're somewhat of an expert
01:26:08	and you didn't know
01:26:10	Or even how long his sentence was?
01:26:13	For the record, Mitnick spent a year
01:26:16	eight months of which
01:26:19	plus another six months in a halfway house.
01:26:21	With the psychologists in town
01:26:24	locking Kevin in solitary
01:26:31	l think it's inhumane, and l think there are
01:26:36	Obviously if this person has been able
01:26:39	that they think he was doing
01:26:43	That's a real talent that's being wasted.
01:26:46	And, to lock him up, especially
01:26:50	We wouldn't treat an animal that way
01:26:52	And yet, this is a talented individual?
01:26:57	-lt's not right.Thank you.
01:26:59	Wait, he was in solitary
01:27:02	A large amount of the time. Eight months.
01:27:06	Yeah, that's pretty hard.
01:27:09	Okay. Markoff gains a point
01:27:13	Now, here's something interesting.
01:27:17	he communicated with an lsraeli hacker
01:27:20	who's believed to be the mastermind behind
01:27:24	Yet Markoff never wrote a story about him...
01:27:27	and didn't even followthrough
01:27:30	ln fact, none of the authorities
01:27:33	almost as if these crimes were really trivial.
01:27:36	Nowthat would be a great story,
01:27:39	l thought a lot about that.
01:27:41	l just haven't had time to do the reporting.
01:27:46	You're right. lt's probably a great story
01:27:50	-l should come to New York--
01:27:53	Jsz was supposedly the mastermind
01:27:57	l never knew what the relations were.
01:27:59	The only thing l could say that l knew..
01:28:02	was that jsz and Kevin...
01:28:06	were actively trading
01:28:08	That's what l knew.
01:28:14	lf you asked me
01:28:18	it was jsz provided the tools
01:28:21	But l have no idea if that's true.
01:28:24	No idea?
01:28:26	lsn't this what the book, series of articles,
01:28:31	what Kevin actually did?
01:28:33	l was amazed by what he didn't know
01:28:36	But there was more that he did know
01:28:40	But one interesting thing
01:28:43	You know, so much was made of the fact
01:28:47	They were used.
01:28:49	An American Express card,
01:28:52	was used in Raleigh within two days
01:28:58	So who used it?
01:28:59	-How did you find this out?
01:29:03	You're saying the credit card
01:29:05	and it was used after he was arrested?
01:29:08	There are indications that there was
01:29:12	who knewthis and may have been
01:29:15	All l'm saying is there's some evidence.
01:29:18	How come this wasn't in the book?
01:29:20	How come it wasn't in the book.
01:29:22	l don't know why
01:29:26	This was really getting annoying.
01:29:27	He didn't follow up on
01:29:31	and he didn't mention the fact
01:29:34	One more remark like that
01:29:39	Look how many people are standing here
01:29:43	Look at all these people.
01:29:48	Valuable coupons!
01:29:51	What are they doing now?
01:29:53	Oh, Kevin Mitnick!
01:29:55	The way that the Japanese wizard
01:29:59	Mitnick respected the Japanese wizard
01:30:02	On the other hand...
01:30:04	since the whole computer business
01:30:07	why should Mitnick suffer
01:30:12	namely the computer. So that's it.
01:30:14	-What do you think of computers?
01:30:16	Why?
01:30:18	Because they're not like feeling skin,
01:30:23	And one can get lost deeply in them.
01:30:26	My son, of course, is in that world.
01:30:29	These people are computerphiles
01:30:34	Hackers are all right
01:30:38	But the rest of it....
01:30:40	-This is bullshit.
01:30:42	This is such bullshit!
01:30:44	l like Chaos Computer Club, l like anarchy.
01:30:47	-You know Chaos Computer Club? -No, but l like the
01:30:49	He's never heard of it.
01:30:51	No, it's great. But Mitnick, it's ridiculous.
01:30:55	Look, an activist.
01:30:59	Look, a bag of artificial intelligence.
01:31:01	They're from the '80s but l still bought them.
01:31:05	lt's like the government's
01:31:08	lt's to create a hacker mythology so
01:31:13	and other stuff like that.
01:31:14	He hasn't done anything wrong. He hasn't
01:31:18	He's basically just like a scapegoat.
01:31:21	l think most of the kids that l hang out with
01:31:25	They understand.
01:31:29	Why would they have any reason
01:31:32	other than he's a total scumbag who....
01:31:34	You know, like WarGames, the hacking.
01:31:37	That guy! Didn't he break into
01:31:41	He's not accused of selling information,
01:31:44	he's just accused of copying files.
01:31:46	Three-and-a-half years in prison for that.
01:31:49	Yeah, cool, wow, all right, great. Register to vote?
01:31:52	You're an activist, too?
01:31:53	lmagine if somebody made a film
01:31:55	and they get this totally evil kind of guy
01:31:59	and take everything that you ever did and
01:32:04	Look, there he is cheating
01:32:10	Many interesting items
01:32:14	Street scene, one of the best places
01:32:17	Here on the street scene...
01:32:19	we've got newspapers, we got novels...
01:32:22	we got documentary calendars,
01:32:26	What sysadmin is gonna have dot slash
01:32:30	lt was cool. lt's about using SUlD
01:32:34	and keeping it in your home directory
01:32:38	pretending to be a lamer,
01:32:41	And then they go and do an ls....
01:32:43	But what sysadmin is gonna have dot slash
01:32:48	l don't know man, some of those hackers...
01:32:51	when l'm on my computer
01:32:54	-Like what?
01:32:56	All these messages. Makes my computer--
01:32:58	-Are you onAOL by any chance?
01:33:02	We've been bending over backwards
01:33:04	and he's only one point away
01:33:07	Let's do an easy one, the film.
01:33:09	Everyone hates the film, right?
01:33:11	When l read the screenplay...
01:33:14	l was mostly just disappointed because
01:33:19	There we go. He's back in the running.
01:33:21	With one clip to go,
01:33:25	So l gave him a chance
01:33:27	l asked him to help us help Kevin
01:33:30	to get him released from prison
01:33:34	He didn't want to sign the petition
01:33:38	lf you could pass a message to Kevin...
01:33:41	and say if he'd be willing to sit down
01:33:46	l would love to do a piece.
01:33:53	lf nothing else,
01:33:56	More than a decade of writing about Kevin
01:34:00	lt was time for our last corporate visit.
01:34:01	lt was time for our last corporate visit.
01:34:02	Novell, who claimed Kevin
01:34:07	We went to their corporate headquarters
01:34:10	Okay, nowthe road says ''180 East.''
01:34:14	All right, we want 122 East, 1700 South.
01:34:19	lt's like some locker combination.
01:34:23	Okay, here we are.
01:34:26	ls there somebody
01:34:29	The person in charge of security is....
01:34:35	He's just brand-new
01:34:36	Check that out.This guy is so worried
01:34:40	that he went through this acrobatic act
01:34:45	But in the end,
01:34:49	Nobody was allowed to say anything.
01:34:53	But, at least, we tried.
01:34:57	Hey, pal, look down. Whoops!
01:35:01	So the last corporate door
01:35:04	And now we had one last task...
01:35:05	And now we had one last task...
01:35:06	to head across the country
01:35:09	We knew it wouldn't work.
01:35:12	That's what hacking's been about
01:35:15	Doing things that you knew wouldn't work,
01:35:18	And trying to ignore the shit
01:35:21	and trying not to feel bad
01:35:24	As we drove from state to state...
01:35:27	l thought of how bad it could get,
01:35:30	l remembered what they do
01:35:33	l remembered what they did to Bernie.
01:35:36	The Bernie S. case,
01:35:38	got blown out of proportion
01:35:41	lt got blown out of proportion
01:35:44	who knew what exactly he had done
01:35:49	was almost to make him look like the guy
01:35:54	To do that was an incredible leap.
01:35:58	They made Bernie S.
01:36:01	The new statute that my attorney
01:36:06	that, in fact,
01:36:10	makes it a federal felony to possess...
01:36:14	hardware or software...
01:36:16	for the modification
01:36:19	for the unauthorized access
01:36:22	l wasn't accused or alleged
01:36:26	or ever cloned a cellular phone
01:36:29	Just the mere possession of these things...
01:36:32	now constituted a federal felony
01:36:35	The judge ordered me held without bail...
01:36:38	based on the fact that books...
01:36:40	in fact, l think l had two books in my home...
01:36:44	on howfireworks, explosives are made.
01:36:48	l had about 2,000 books
01:36:51	What little media attention the case got
01:36:55	He had never stolen anything,
01:36:57	Everything used to make him look
01:37:01	When the Secret Service wants you
01:37:05	Not even a judge.
01:37:06	''Your Honor, when we initially searched
01:37:11	''federal agents discovered a substance...
01:37:15	''they believed to be C4 plastic explosives.
01:37:20	''While upon later analysis...
01:37:23	''it turned out not to be C4...
01:37:25	''the fact that it might have been
01:37:28	''And, based on that,
01:37:33	The judge didn't even blink
01:37:35	Then the prosecutor made
01:37:39	She told him
01:37:41	to prosecute this case
01:37:44	and that, in fact, the real reason,
01:37:48	''the real reason'' Ed is in jail...
01:37:52	was not because of crystals or software
01:37:56	lt was because of other things
01:38:00	Namely:
01:38:02	surveillance photographs
01:38:07	So l made these photos available
01:38:10	and it apparently was a coincidence
01:38:14	but the local Fox television affiliate...
01:38:17	Fox 29 in Philadelphia, their news division,
01:38:21	Most are between their mid-teens to late 20s.
01:38:24	They gather every Friday night
01:38:27	lt's called the 2600 meeting,
01:38:31	and meetings like these are advertised...
01:38:33	in a hi-tech magazine
01:38:35	Some hackers call themselves ''fighters
01:38:39	The US Secret Service
01:38:41	But hackers say
01:38:44	ln this photograph the Secret Service agent
01:38:48	The Secret Service didn't find it humorous.
01:38:50	Not only did they have
01:38:53	but they were picking their noses
01:38:59	We all thought that was amusing...
01:39:02	until l was in federal prison...
01:39:04	and l found out that the real reason
01:39:09	For a year-and-a-half...
01:39:10	Bernie was bounced around maximum
01:39:15	l think they got tired
01:39:17	because l found myself in handcufs
01:39:23	Lehigh County Prison
01:39:27	amongst prisoners l had talked to
01:39:32	as probably one of the roughest prisons
01:39:35	Within a day, Bernie was attacked.
01:39:37	He punched me in the mouth
01:39:41	He was a big guy,
01:39:46	and l think it turned out later
01:39:49	coming down off crack or something.
01:39:53	l went down and he started
01:39:57	and l put my arm up to block his kick
01:40:00	After bleeding for hours,
01:40:04	but the authorities refused
01:40:07	The hospital wanted me to sign this waiver.
01:40:10	Whenever you go into surgery
01:40:13	that you understand all the risks involved.
01:40:16	l said, not until l get a hold of my uncle...
01:40:19	or at least let somebody in my family
01:40:23	The prison officials went bananas
01:40:26	lt was a liability for them
01:40:31	l was severely injured and
01:40:35	lt got all the way up to
01:40:39	My uncle was a known person
01:40:42	He'd been the president of the city council.
01:40:45	He wasn't someone who'd run down there
01:40:50	Meanwhile, l was handcuffed and shackled...
01:40:53	to the hospital bed, which was ridiculous.
01:40:58	l was in bad shape.
01:41:01	With a guard sitting there with a gun...
01:41:04	making sure that l didn't break
01:41:07	l was denied antibiotics for two days.
01:41:11	l was denied any painkillers at all...
01:41:14	not even aspirin which l couldn't take
01:41:18	and l was probably in
01:41:22	that l've ever had,
01:41:25	having multiple fractures.
01:41:30	lt was like being in an altered state
01:41:35	They weren't bringing me food l could eat.
01:41:37	They brought solid food which
01:41:41	l was getting to the point where....
01:41:44	l was starting to feel like,
01:41:49	l was really feeling like, ''l give up.''
01:41:52	l was losing my will to go ahead.
01:41:55	l was able to get a phone call out
01:41:57	tell people where l was, what was going on.
01:42:00	And that was when
01:42:04	and lnternet crusade started...
01:42:08	gaining momentum.
01:42:10	We had state representatives getting called.
01:42:15	and they called saying, ''What's with this?
01:42:19	Finally, the prison and the judge realized
01:42:23	They wanted to get this thing over with
01:42:29	signed an order to have me released
01:42:32	which the guards had
01:42:35	They said, ''What is that? People die here.
01:42:38	So this was an unusual thing.
01:42:43	that all the publicity
01:42:47	the lnternet, their website...
01:42:50	radio interviews,
01:42:53	l'd been repeatedly interviewed
01:42:58	with Emmanuel Goldstein...
01:43:00	and people were following this case
01:43:02	and it was generating a lot of attention
01:43:06	l got letters, l got hundreds of letters.
01:43:09	We had gotten him out
01:43:12	And the scars were permanent.
01:43:14	They had to put a....
01:43:16	The surgeons mounted...
01:43:19	a titanium bar in my arm.
01:43:23	l don't know if you can see it or not.
01:43:26	A nice scar from here to here
01:43:31	and seven stainless-steel screws.
01:43:35	That's it. That's my full range of motion
01:43:39	Unlike my good arm which straightens out.
01:43:43	My jaw doesn't open as much as it used to.
01:43:47	lf l'm trying to bite an apple,
01:43:51	But l live with it.
01:43:55	We crossed the entire country and
01:43:56	We crossed the entire country and
01:43:59	But there was a problem.
01:44:01	lt seems that the hurricane...
01:44:05	is making a beeline for the set
01:44:10	ln fact, it's estimated that it will reach
01:44:15	And, that's something
01:44:17	because it's not like that's something
01:44:20	l fear that one of the listeners
01:44:25	may have called upon almightyAllah...
01:44:28	or Christ or whatever...
01:44:30	to rain forth upon these people
01:44:35	l'd like to stress at this point
01:44:38	That's not exactly how
01:44:41	l fear that the Takedown people
01:44:46	lf you look at the map,
01:44:50	you will see the eye of the hurricane,
01:44:55	you will see a little dot that indicates
01:44:58	That is where it's heading.
01:45:02	where the rival gangs of twister watchers
01:45:06	''This is the big one!''
01:45:08	They were looking at this thing...
01:45:10	and they saw another hurricane
01:45:13	And they say they've never seen that before.
01:45:16	And, if that's not enough for you,
01:45:20	Bonnie is the name
01:45:23	Nowthe metaphor just could not
01:45:27	Of course, we didn't take our own advice
01:45:37	We thought we might be able to get
01:45:41	We were right.
01:45:49	They seemed to have a real fixation
01:45:53	You had to wonder what had happened.
01:45:58	We took a little tour of the restricted area
01:46:11	The storm passed.
01:46:12	And while we were exploring the next day...
01:46:15	we made a discovery.
01:46:18	And they all want Free Kevin stickers.
01:46:21	lf you give me some, l will send it to them.
01:46:25	Was it really this easy?
01:46:27	Had we discovered where
01:46:29	through our own bumper sticker?
01:46:31	-l have Mr. Wong in Number 9.
01:46:33	Yeah. He's in Number 9.
01:46:35	-ls he still here?
01:46:38	The receptionist went out of her way
01:46:41	And while the guy playing
01:46:44	we found the producer who promised us
01:46:48	The place was swarming with celebrities...
01:46:50	like cast members from Dawson's Creek
01:46:54	We wandered around town,
01:46:58	seeing the desperate people.
01:47:00	We witnessed civilization
01:47:11	Roads were closed...
01:47:14	power was out...
01:47:20	trees were knocked down.
01:47:23	But it didn't matter.
01:47:25	We were going to finally talk
01:47:30	There was nothing to do,
01:47:33	We had four days to kill
01:47:36	to see the town where Kevin Mitnick
01:47:38	The cellular towers where Markoff
01:47:42	And this was the apartment complex
01:47:45	And this was Kevin's actual apartment.
01:47:48	-You have a computer yourself?
01:47:50	Be careful.
01:47:51	l'll keep that in mind.
01:47:53	We foundTakedown crew members in
01:47:57	You have to remember that
01:48:02	Skeet is definitely.... He's a great actor.
01:48:07	He's the most natural actor,
01:48:11	He's very charismatic.
01:48:13	There's nothing you can do to Skeet Ulrich
01:48:17	So that's kind of, l mean,
01:48:20	he's lucky, you know?
01:48:22	l promised to tell Kevin how lucky he was
01:48:25	But now it was time for our interview.
01:48:28	We had been in North Carolina for five days.
01:48:30	But something was wrong.
01:48:32	Miramax had changed their mind
01:48:35	So we staged an impromptu protest
01:48:38	And as we were leaving,
01:48:42	This time we wouldn't let them escape.
01:48:42	This time we wouldn't let them escape.
01:48:46	We drove next door
01:48:52	There he goes. Yeah.
01:48:57	And off he goes into the wild blue yonder
01:49:01	This is the realTakedown!
01:49:07	We had two cars on our side...
01:49:09	we would outflank them, chase them,
01:49:24	-l wish l didn't have these running lights.
01:49:29	For six weeks
01:49:31	and we hadn't even gotten
01:49:34	So this is what it came down to:
01:49:35	A cat-and-mouse game
01:49:38	They didn't know
01:49:41	He's making a U-turn.
01:49:44	He's making a U-turn, that motherfucker
01:49:47	-Oh, God.
01:49:49	-Man, there's a boat in the way.
01:49:53	What do we do now?This is just great.
01:49:55	This is just so typical North Carolina-ish.
01:49:57	Fucking boat blocking us on the street.
01:50:00	-He's not there.
01:50:05	This guy's good.This guy's real good.
01:50:13	They took off that way.
01:50:16	They made a U-turn
01:50:18	Really? That's why.
01:50:20	-Did they then go that way?
01:50:22	After they made the U-turn?
01:50:24	They left the gas station and went that way?
01:50:27	-They went that way.
01:50:29	A few minutes ago. l waited.
01:50:31	l thought maybe you'd come by
01:50:33	So they're headed that way
01:50:36	So let's go.
01:50:37	-Where are we gonna go?
01:50:38	Even if we go forward at maximum warp...
01:50:41	we can't catch them
01:50:44	Let's face it guys, we lost.They beat us.
01:51:01	-Shakes?
01:51:03	Shakes.
01:51:04	There's always the outside chance
01:51:08	We had failed.
01:51:09	We never found Shimomura...
01:51:11	we never got to talk
01:51:14	and we never got past the lobby
01:51:18	Worst of all, Kevin was still in prison.
01:51:21	1999 sawthe Free Kevin Movement
01:51:22	1999 sawthe Free Kevin Movement
01:51:26	The media wouldn't cover it,
01:51:36	And for the first time...
01:51:37	hackers marched in the streets
01:51:41	even overseas in England and Russia.
01:51:44	lt was an amazing spectacle...
01:51:45	and more people learned
01:51:51	Even though Kevin Mitnick saw
01:51:55	we felt like we were getting somewhere.
01:51:59	Excuse me? What are you doing?
01:52:03	And in the end,
01:52:06	to avoid spending
01:52:11	You're watching Southern California's
01:52:16	Good evening. l'm Gretchen Carr.
01:52:19	And l'm Michael Tuck. Up front at 6:30...
01:52:21	a guilty plea by notorious computer hacker
01:52:25	Juan Fernandez joins us live...
01:52:27	from the Federal Courthouse
01:52:29	He was the first computer hacker...
01:52:31	to make it to the FBl's Most Wanted List.
01:52:33	And after a long battle
01:52:36	the 35-year-old man
01:52:39	His computer crimes apparently
01:52:44	although Kevin Mitnick
01:52:48	ending a four-year battle
01:52:51	This is a very serious crime.
01:52:52	The federal government
01:52:54	We will prosecute hackers...
01:52:56	particularly when they cause
01:52:59	Mitnick nowfaces 46 months in jail.
01:53:02	He's already served eight months,
01:53:05	with good behavior, Mitnick
01:53:10	Mitnick will pay for his crimes
01:53:12	Although his attorneys say
01:53:14	to pay restitution
01:53:17	that doesn't mean
01:53:19	lt was as if we hadn't said a word.
01:53:23	l pray that they never wind up
01:53:29	l pray that nobody does.
01:53:31	But the thing is that if they do...
01:53:35	right nowthe way it stands,
01:53:39	lt's not about fairness.
01:53:40	lt's just about the way
01:53:44	lt's crazy to bring up
01:53:47	because there's no comparison here...
01:53:48	but here's a case where a defendant
01:53:52	and look what that legal team accomplished.
01:53:54	l'm not saying you need a lot of money
01:53:57	l'm saying it doesn't matter
01:54:00	The case, the legal system...
01:54:02	the justice system isn't about what you did
01:54:05	lt's about either the government
01:54:08	or you'll win the case.
01:54:10	That's all that matters in the case.
01:54:13	l'm just saying in the court system,
01:54:16	The prosecution will do
01:54:18	spend whatever money they can
01:54:21	and you have to do the same thing
01:54:24	You know, this is no longer
01:54:27	This is about how do you make it
01:54:32	to get them to roll over or cop a plea.
01:54:35	lt has nothing to do with justice anymore.
01:54:38	God help you
01:54:40	because it's very easy to get in...
01:54:42	and it's almost impossible
01:54:47	because you're up against an adversary...
01:54:52	that has everything going for it
01:54:57	And, unfortunately,
01:55:01	So, that's the way it is.
01:55:05	lf the legal community
01:55:09	we're gonna have more people locked up...
01:55:12	than we know what to do with.
01:55:16	A lot of them are going to be kids.
01:57:22	l don't think it ended.
01:57:23	lt turned into this huge controversy
01:57:26	But there weren't any more stories
01:57:31	What would you think
02:01:05	l appreciate everybody taking the time
02:01:05	l appreciate everybody taking the time
02:01:08	which was a tremendous effort
02:01:11	and everyone on the 2600 staff.
02:01:15	And l want to offer...
02:01:16	my sincere appreciation and gratitude...
02:01:20	for the tremendous moral support
02:01:23	throughout this five year ordeal.
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